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[QueensburyRules]

Lol, you're such a troll. Tunney stated he could have gotten up sooner had he wanted, and still beat the count irregardless. The man was NEVER KOed. The only man to whoop Tunney, Dempsey wanted no part of. Just the facts! Yer welcome!

- - It was at the10 count that Tunney suddenly woke up, yet still another 4 seconds to arise.

Of course U never seen the fight, don't do boxing maths, so U compensate by being a Triple A bore

[JAB5239]

- - It was at the10 count that Tunney suddenly woke up, yet still another 4 seconds to arise.

Of course U never seen the fight, don't do boxing maths, so U compensate by being a Triple A bore

Tunney never looked in trouble, and like Douglas with Tyson followed the refs count, the only thing he is required to do. You saying I haven't seen the fight doesn't change the FACTS, you ridiculous drunk!

[Spray_resistant]

Roy got shot by Tarver.

And he never recovered. Johnson was feasting on Tarver's left overs, but Antonio was a bad style matchup for Jones at any point in his career.

At that weight his chin was in a lot more danger. He knew it and fought like it even in their first fight. He had trouble with powerful southpaws who could put pressure on him.

I think prime Calzaghe also gives him fits.

Roy was good but a lot of it was flash with no substance. He just didn't fight a lot of great fighters. And he fought for a long time in an era filled with very good dangerous fighters. A peak(instead of the green) Hopkins, McClellan, Benn, Eubank, prime Calzaghe, Michalszewski etc.

I know I know, it's not all his fault those fights never happened but the fact of the matter is he never fought them and he fought a lot of lower class opponents instead.

Resume will always be the most important factor.

That first fight did happen bewteen the two, I had a competitive but clear win for Roy. If Roy wasn't Roy and so unstoppable combined with Tarver's whinning about his fair and square loss we would have never had that historic ko.

[BKM-]

That first fight did happen bewteen the two, I had a competitive but clear win for Roy. If Roy wasn't Roy and so unstoppable combined with Tarver's whinning about his fair and square loss we would have never had that historic ko.

I'm not following you.

[Spray_resistant]

I'm not following you.

Roy already beat Tarver, clear but competitive and due to his dulling reflexes just got caught in the rematch which wouldn't even have happened if Roy wasn't the fighter he was through his career.

[BKM-]

Roy already beat Tarver, clear but competitive and due to his dulling reflexes just got caught in the rematch which wouldn't even have happened if Roy wasn't the fighter he was through his career.

That's where we disagree. Roy looked faster and more explosive in the rematch, it's the reason he started lighting Tarver up. It's not just me either, this was the talk post-fight. The "Old Roy emerged" and then "got caught".

His reflexes weren't the problem. LHW was just dangerous for his chin and he was facing a southpaw puncher who didn't respect him. Thinking of other reasons is just making up unfound angles.

So I ask you, you got any excuses tonight, Spray Resistant?

[Willie Pep 229]

Tunney never looked in trouble, and like Douglas with Tyson followed the refs count, the only thing he is required to do. You saying I haven't seen the fight doesn't change the FACTS, you ridiculous drunk!

You have gone too far.

Tunney has stated that he would have beat the count but wasn't sure his legs would have been there to surrive the round. (Maybe Tunney was just being nice after the fact. He made this statement later.)

On film we can see the moment Tunney's head clears and he focuses on the count. Before that moment he was in trouble.

When his head clears, you can see Tunney's body start to move up until he realizes that the count is so low. He then relaxes and waits for eight.

Tunney had one of the highest ring IQs and handled the KD perfectly. Considering it was his only KD, that's impressive composure. ***

Just days after the fight, Tunney snapped at a reporter who showed him the famous photo with his eyes glazed, yet again, "I've seen enough of that damn picture."

Tunney did not like seeing himself looking defeated.

He was in trouble and did benefit from the 'long count.' But yes, he would have gotten up.

*** I realize Ivch has posted proof that Tunney was KD early in his career, but that was a one-knee flash KD. The Dempsey KD was the only time Tunney was at bay -- in trouble.

Just my two cents.

[JAB5239]

You have gone too far.

Tunney has stated that he would have beat the count but wasn't sure his legs would have been there to surrive the round. (Maybe Tunney was just be nice after the fact. He made this statement later.)

On film we can see the moment Tunney's head clears and he focuses on the count. Before that moment he was in trouble.

When his head clears, you can see Tunney's body start to move up until he realizes that the count is so low. He then relaxes and waits for eight.

Tunney had one of the highest ring IQs and handled the KD perfectly. Considering it was his only KD, that's impressive composure. ***

Just days after the fight, Tunney snapped at a reporter who showed him the famous photo with his eyes glazed, yet again, "I've seen enough of that damn picture."

Tunney did not like seeing himself looking defeated.

He was in trouble and did benefit form the 'long count.' But yes, he would have gotten up.

*** I realize Ivch has posted proof that Tunney was KD early in his career, but that was a one-knee flash KD. The Demosey KD was the only time Tunney was at bay and in trouble.

Just my two cents.

Let me rephrase. Tunney never looked in trouble of being counted out, just as Douglas didn't. For anyone to claim either lost is erroneous because both did exactly what they were supposed to, and did in FACT win. Getting dropped is trouble, but its not the end in many cases. When he got up his wits were about him and he was elusive. He wasn't all over the place trying to recover, he had for all intent and purpose recovered, hence never being in trouble of being finished.

[QueensburyRules]

Tunney never looked in trouble, and like Douglas with Tyson followed the refs count, the only thing he is required to do. You saying I haven't seen the fight doesn't change the FACTS, you ridiculous drunk!

- - Ref blew the count sorta like U blow U IQ.

Noybody not in diapers when Tyson fought Douglas knew Mike was in a tailspin as his pre fight sparring showed. Anybody not in diapers then also knew Buster was a bigger, stronger boxer puncher that was criminally underrated because of his prediabetic condition. He gave Tony Tucker a tremendous fight before being KOed.

[JAB5239]

- - Ref blew the count sorta like U blow U IQ.

Noybody not in diapers when Tyson fought Douglas knew Mike was in a tailspin as his pre fight sparring showed. Anybody not in diapers then also knew Buster was a bigger, stronger boxer puncher that was criminally underrated because of his prediabetic condition. He gave Tony Tucker a tremendous fight before being KOed.

The ref didn't blow the count, Dempsey never went to a neutral corner as he requested for this fight.

Sure. Tyson was in a tail spin, on dangerous experimental drugs.yada yada yada. Whatever you say. Keep the excuses coming.