Harold Johnson vs Bob Foster 175lbs primes

[DeeMoney]

I don’t think that’s the case at all.

Foster’s resume at least pales in comparison.

Pure skill wise, it’s Johnson by a country mile.

What Foster has is freakish power and a big size advantage. Height/reach. But really that’s about it. He has that over just about anybody at the weight.

Yeah, but resumes dont win fights, they are a list of what you have done, not necessarily what you could do.

Your last paragraph, about Fosters size and strength and power and reach; that points to what he could do. Now Johnson is smart, has great speed and timing, so he has things he could do back. But you dont't win a fight by throwing your resume at the opponent, you win it by throwing punches. And as you noted, Foster throws harder punches than anyone at the weight.

[JAB5239]

Yeah it definitely is the kind of thing you’d say. It’s what you do, when called out on it and can’t defend it you say you “generalise”

You’ve randomly inserted Micheal Spinks into the conversation there, for what reason, I don’t know. Conversation has nothing to do with Spinks and Spinks and Johnson are much closer in terms of skill than Foster and Johnson are.

You’re entitled to your opinion. Foster has the capability of beating anyone at LHW. But when it comes to pure skill, Johnson is obviously better than Foster. Doesn’t mean he’d win the fight, doesn’t even mean he’s better.

Sure dannyboy. This isn't a generalization at all, is it?

"Pure skill wise, it’s Johnson by a country mile.
What Foster has is freakish power and a big size advantage. Height/reach. But really that’s about it."



What, no specific fights? Rounds? No reasoning to why Johnson is a "country mile" ahead of Foster? Because a country mile insinuates he is far more skilled. Do explain.

[Bronson66]

- - Well, those guys including Foster are much better than Johnson who was beat 3x by Archie. Yet the usual ninnies populating boxing fans always claimed Archie ducked the 4th rematch which is infantile at best if not vacuous. Archie was in a spot where he was making more $$$ beating up hvys that gave him his top payday vs Rocky.

More and Johnson fought 4 times. Moore got $ 30,000 for their last fight.

The total gate for the1st Valdes fight was only$4,850

The Baker fight only $10,000

[QueensburyRules]

Harold Johnson was 1-4 against Archie Moore not 0-3 or 1-3. They fought 5 times.

First 4 all being close fights, and the 5th time that Moore won by KO, Johnson was comfortably ahead at the time of the stoppage.

- - Thanks...

[JAB5239]

Yeah, but resumes dont win fights, they are a list of what you have done, not necessarily what you could do.

Your last paragraph, about Fosters size and strength and power and reach; that points to what he could do. Now Johnson is smart, has great speed and timing, so he has things he could do back. But you dont't win a fight by throwing your resume at the opponent, you win it by throwing punches. And as you noted, Foster throws harder punches than anyone at the weight.

I like Foster in this fight. He may not get the ko, but I think Johnson would taste the canvas at least once.

Both were highly skilled. Johnson a little more defensively. Foster a little more offensively. Both were fantastic at both though. In this fight I'd imagine Fosters height, reach and power being the difference.

Johnson had the great jab, but I think he's fid it difficult to use against Fosters length and speed. I'd expect a lot of feints from both side trying to set up their punches.

[IronDanHamza]

Sure dannyboy. This isn't a generalization at all, is it?

"Pure skill wise, it’s Johnson by a country mile.
What Foster has is freakish power and a big size advantage. Height/reach. But really that’s about it."



What, no specific fights? Rounds? No reasoning to why Johnson is a "country mile" ahead of Foster? Because a country mile insinuates he is far more skilled. Do explain.

That's an observation. I could be here all day if you want me to breakdown Harold Johnson's fights. This is a guy who soundly outboxed Ezzard Charles, another one of the most skilled fighters ever. Had long spells across 5 fights outboxing Archie Moore, another one of the greatest fighters ever.

He is far more skilled, than Foster. Just talking skills alone. The list of fighters in history above Johnson in that regard is short. Let alone Bob Foster who yes is definitely a fighter who doesn't lack skills but he's no where close to the level of Harold Johnson talking just solely skill wise. I don't think there are many who would argue otherwise.

It doesn't mean he would win the fight, or even a better fighter as I've just said. Gun to my head I'd probably lean on Foster.

[IronDanHamza]

More and Johnson fought 4 times. Moore got $ 30,000 for their last fight.

The total gate for the1st Valdes fight was only$4,850

The Baker fight only $10,000

They fought 5 times, not 4.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, but resumes dont win fights, they are a list of what you have done, not necessarily what you could do.

I'm not saying his resume would win him the fight. You said Foster is a level up from Johnson. I'm wondering how you land on that conclusion? Because their resumes are night and day.

In what ways is he a level above? I don't see any metric of how that's the case.

Your last paragraph, about Fosters size and strength and power and reach; that points to what he could do. Now Johnson is smart, has great speed and timing, so he has things he could do back. But you dont't win a fight by throwing your resume at the opponent, you win it by throwing punches. And as you noted, Foster throws harder punches than anyone at the weight.

Absolutely, I don't disagree.

This fight would be more than winnable for Foster. Johnson can be hurt if you catch him cold. He's not chinny but he's not the most durable fighter in the world, Foster is going to test that.

Johnson is obviously the far superior fighter in regards to skills, he's a master at cancelling out reach disadvantage with timing, I'd suspect Johnson to win more rounds without doubt. I don't see him losing a decision but Foster could KO him at any time, and he more than has the ability, size, and of course devastating power to take him out. So yeah would be an awesome match really.

Bare in mind Johnson used to spar Sonny Liston in his prime, who had a size and reach on Foster. According to Johnson he got the better of those spars, but sparring is sparring.

Johnson and Liston were scheduled to fight in 1963, but Johnson pulled out with an injury which I'd say was a blessing in disguise.

[JAB5239]

That's an observation. I could be here all day if you want me to breakdown Harold Johnson's fights. This is a guy who soundly outboxed Ezzard Charles, another one of the most skilled fighters ever. Had long spells across 5 fights outboxing Archie Moore, another one of the greatest fighters ever.

He is far more skilled, than Foster. Just talking skills alone. The list of fighters in history above Johnson in that regard is short. Let alone Bob Foster who yes is definitely a fighter who doesn't lack skills but he's no where close to the level of Harold Johnson talking just solely skill wise. I don't think there are many who would argue otherwise.

It doesn't mean he would win the fight, or even a better fighter as I've just said. Gun to my head I'd probably lean on Foster.

Ok, fair enough. You do realize though that an observation and generalization are pretty close though, right? Just saying.

I don't disagree Johnson was more polished as a fighter. I do not think he is a country mile ahead in skills. Just like Beterbiev and Quarry, it depends on how each fighter applies their skills. That's all I'm gonna say on that now.

[DeeMoney]

I'm not saying his resume would win him the fight. You said Foster is a level up from Johnson. I'm wondering how you land on that conclusion? Because their resumes are night and day.

In what ways is he a level above? I don't see any metric of how that's the case.



Absolutely, I don't disagree.

This fight would be more than winnable for Foster. Johnson can be hurt if you catch him cold. He's not chinny but he's not the most durable fighter in the world, Foster is going to test that.

Johnson is obviously the far superior fighter in regards to skills, he's a master at cancelling out reach disadvantage with timing, I'd suspect Johnson to win more rounds without doubt. I don't see him losing a decision but Foster could KO him at any time, and he more than has the ability, size, and of course devastating power to take him out. So yeah would be an awesome match really.

Bare in mind Johnson used to spar Sonny Liston in his prime, who had a size and reach on Foster. According to Johnson he got the better of those spars, but sparring is sparring.

Johnson and Liston were scheduled to fight in 1963, but Johnson pulled out with an injury which I'd say was a blessing in disguise.

I feel like Foster is a level up from Johnson just for the reasons I wrote about earlier, and you listed at the start of your second paragraph. Its just how well I good I believe him to be. That being written, a level up isnt that big of a difference, they are both in that 7-12 range at Lt Heavy for me all time (based on peak ability, nothing else).