Can USA boxing upper weight boxing be fixed?

[Anomalocaris]

- - AJ well won the last round in a fight I had even going into that last round.

So he threw the Rubbish Ring belt out of the Ring that he more than any deserved to own after he obliterated Blubber as Ring Coward and unified the titles Blubber never defended...yer welcome...

Your hatred of Fury is almost pathogical.

Did he spill your pint?

[QueensburyRules]

Your hatred of Fury is almost pathogical.

Did he spill your pint?

- - Actually I quite loved putting down Brit fans who hated him so that they couldn't see his talents.

Then when Busted and suspended for PEDs where he quit boxing to go on a well publicized 3yr bender of the most sordid means possible, I enjoyed putting down his pretentiousness ducking of the big buck$ of AJ fer Deyonce peanuts, the most sopworthy trilogy in boxing history.

I'm here to pull monkey tails and spin the Queens bottle with Brits.

[Marchegiano]

- - Actually I quite loved putting down Brit fans who hated him so that they couldn't see his talents.

Then when Busted and suspended for PEDs where he quit boxing to go on a well publicized 3yr bender of the most sordid means possible, I enjoyed putting down his pretentiousness ducking of the big buck$ of AJ fer Deyonce peanuts, the most sopworthy trilogy in boxing history.

I'm here to pull monkey tails and spin the Queens bottle with Brits.

co-sign, he ain't lyin'

[Dr Z]

Your hatred of Fury is almost pathogical.

Did he spill your pint?

Did he ( Fury ) steal your PED's?

[The D3vil]

Yeah, but thats $400k GUARANTEED, thats the point. These kids making NIL money, thats money in hand. I think a college kid will have a hard time giving up all that cash, plus free room and board, and a free education. To have a slim chance to make it in boxing.

Because here is the thing, if someone were to give up NIL for boxing, their next step wont be into wealth and fame. Their next step will be to living paycheck to paycheck, probably working to make ends meet and then training outside of work. No longer a guaranteed degree at the end of the day, all for the outside shot at making it in boxing.....not many are gonna choose option B.

Okay, so what are they gonna do when they're 22 & graduate from college?

Then what?

They can still box

[DeeMoney]

Okay, so what are they gonna do when they're 22 & graduate from college?

Then what?

They can still box

When they graduate, they will get a job with the degree they earned, which was covered by their scholarship. Remember, their being in college on scholarship is predicated on them being a football player. If an athlete decides to quit their scholarship sport, to pursue college boxing (which has no scholarships) then they forfeit their scholarship and their free education.

Even if we assume college boxing has full ride scholarships (which it doesnt, and would be a tremendous stretch to achieve anytime soon, but lets just imagine), we'd have to assume that those scholarships would already have been given out to athletes who are joining the team out of high school. So to try and poach a football player would be useless because they don't have a scholarship to give.

Moreover, you are assuming they have a lucrative career in boxing after graduation lined up, one that is gonna pay more than what their degree can get them, but thats rarely the case. Just as in very few college football players make it to the NFL, very few boxers make it to the point where they can survive on boxing alone.

In summation, for a D1 college football player to give up football to join college boxing he would be giving up his NIL money (money in hand), his scholarship (which can lead to security and a job for years to come), for the opportunity to make it as a pro boxer (which itself is a long shot). Why would he not just wait to take that chance until after he graduated?

[Willie Pep 229]

What is the percentage of NBA and NFL players who actually finish their degree?

I remember when Roethlisberger got caught in a hot tub with a couple of 15 year olds he was "pumished" by the judge -- forced to finish his college degree in education as part of his parole.

So is a QB couldn't finish a degree in education, what chance does a DB have in getting a degree he can actually use?

[DeeMoney]

What is the percentage of NBA and NFL players who actually finish their degree?

I remember when Roethlisberger got caught in a hot tub with a couple of 15 year olds he was "pumished" by the judge -- forced to finish his college degree in education as part of his parole.

So is a QB couldn't finish a degree in education, what chance does a DB have in getting a degree he can actually use?

Roughly half of them have their degree. But that id NOT the question at hand. Remember, the argument was about taking those athletes who were NOT destined to make it to the pros and giving them an opportunity to box instead. By looking at those who have went to the pros you are skewing the numbers who would earn a degree, as many leave early for a pro league.

This of course points to misbelief out there, that of the dumb jock. Most collegiate athletes are just as smart and hard working as the rest of us, they just happen to be bigger, stronger, and/or faster. And are able to use that advantage to get a free education.

The life of a d1 athlete is highly regimented, they are forced to do study halls and often take summer classes and remain on campus year round. Teams have graduation and grade requirements they have to maintain, and coaches arent gonna let that slip for the mid level bench player- the one we are discussing here. Those players tend to earn a degree

[Willie Pep 229]

Roughly half of them have their degree. But that id NOT the question at hand. Remember, the argument was about taking those athletes who were NOT destined to make it to the pros and giving them an opportunity to box instead. By looking at those who have went to the pros you are skewing the numbers who would earn a degree, as many leave early for a pro league.

This of course points to misbelief out there, that of the dumb jock. Most collegiate athletes are just as smart and hard working as the rest of us, they just happen to be bigger, stronger, and/or faster. And are able to use that advantage to get a free education.

The life of a d1 athlete is highly regimented, they are forced to do study halls and often take summer classes and remain on campus year round. Teams have graduation and grade requirements they have to maintain, and coaches arent gonna let that slip for the mid level bench player- the one we are discussing here. Those players tend to earn a degree

So you are arguing that the poor graduation rate is do mainly to those that start their pro career early.

I am not sure I accept that at face value.

We would need numbers that include your qualification.

It might be possible that the 'lesser' players stay on after their four year scholarship and finish their degrees, maybe. At cost to themselves for the fifth year.

But I think we both need better numbers.

At West Point: All cadets who play varsity sport are on a five year plan. Four years of Sport and one year to make-up what they missed, because they take a lighter curriculum to open up time for sport.

P.S. They then have a minimum five year, instead of four year, commitment to the military.

[DeeMoney]

So you are arguing that the poor graduation rate is do mainly to those that start their pro career early.

I am not sure I accept that at face value.

We would need numbers that include your qualification.

It might be possible that the 'lesser' players stay on after their four year scholarship and finish their degrees, maybe. At cost to themselves for the fifth year.

But I think we both need better numbers.

At West Point: All cadets who play varsity sport are on a five year plan. Four years of Sport and one year to make-up what they missed, because they take a lighter curriculum to open up time for sport.

P.S. They then have a minimum five year, instead of four year, commitment to the military.

No, I am arguing that graduation rates amongst pro athletes are irrelevant to this discussion.

The original point was getting those athletes who wont make it to the pros in their league to do boxing instead. Focusing on graduation rates in the NFL and NBA is focusing on the subset we are not trying to recruit. Its irrelevant