Can USA boxing upper weight boxing be fixed?

[QueensburyRules]

It is funny, I know next to nothing about US football or basketball yet I am a huge fan of cricket, snooker and darts, sports almost no American has even heard of!

- - U with a sticky wicket, yeah!!!

When Babe Ruth visited England, he played a little cricket. My bro had a dart board where he ruled all his friends, yet I easily whooped him in spite of it not being a regular dartist.

Snooker just another variant of pool that Americans play, but I did play it once to see what it was.

[DeeMoney]

It is funny, I know next to nothing about US football or basketball yet I am a huge fan of cricket, snooker and darts, sports almost no American has even heard of!

All good, everyone gets to have their own tastes. Some people like their cucumbers pickled.

[JAB5239]

- - U with a sticky wicket, yeah!!!

When Babe Ruth visited England, he played a little cricket. My bro had a dart board where he ruled all his friends, yet I easily whooped him in spite of it not being a regular dartist.

Snooker just another variant of pool that Americans play, but I did play it once to see what it was.

Way bigger table and smaller balls. Much more difficult than pool.

[Willie Pep 229]

Another reason boxing will not have another Golden age or even a silver or bronze, is that the heavyweight champ is no longer thought of as the toughest man in the world--(a former sobriquet for those gentlemen)--and she ain't even close. The toughest guy in the world is some or other MMA HW champion-- and ain't even close.

If allowed, people would rather watch something that is closer to an actual fight. MMA is miles closer.

You used to watch pigs races, 'cause there was nothing else to do. But now they have horse races. Pig races ain't coming back. I liked pig racing better, personally, but she ain't coming back. Nah. Pig racing is going the way of fencing. Just something people used to like.

But there are not any marital artists in MMA.

Boxing is a martial art that takes years to master.

MMA is a grunt sport. No finesse, no nuance.

Its claim to the martial arts is hulkum.

MMA is for kids. They're grow out of it.

As the shine wears off, in a generation, MMA will eventually move to staged events like the WWE to surrive as entertsinment for the great unwashed, but will never gain the prestige prize fighting once held.

Whether prize fighting will once again rise is a different question. MMA is not its replacement.

There is not enough there to entertain an educated man. It is no 'sweet science.'

[Anomalocaris]

Way bigger table and smaller balls. Much more difficult than pool.

The table is four times bigger in fact.

Pool - 6 ft by 3ft.

Snooker 12ft by 6ft

O'Sullivan might be a total w***er sometimes but he is a stone-cold genius.

[Mr Mitts]

I am literally just coming off of reading this garbage:

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Gee I wonder why Wlad never felt any need to be undisputed.

It's a wonder why Wlad never had to do anything but fight mandos to be given lineal

One wonders why, despite Wlad's career overlapping with legacy names he never actually fought one, and still gets rated like he had a resume

Oh no, four belts makes it hard to go undisputed, good thing Wlad ushered in the WBO ain't it?

I could on, on Wlad and the k2 ****, but honestly, Lennox needs to get some

Look at all these ****ing belts! You bitches, the same exact posters, who cry about all these ****ing belts never give Lennox any **** for being a conniving ***** and instead present to me Lennox Lewis like as if he was a great.

Gee I wonder why Lennox was an amateur with Mike and Evander but waited until after Tyson was a ****ing champion to debut and then waited until after he's a shell to cash out

Oh the great Lennox Lewis who touched Undisputed off the backs of shop worn men and then sold it along with the idea of the WBA Regular belt.

The great Lennox Lewis who dominated the sport so much he had to rematch his losses, because, as we all know, boxing stopped and ratings became stagnant just for Lennox. Gee I wonder where these kids got their love for contractual rematches should only one party lose.



That's our ****ing history boys. You can say America isn't dominating but really what it is, is everyone else accepts excuses for their fighters.


Wlad was never lineal, he was just the single decent in an ocean of fat HWs. He was not undisputed. He did not gather belts. He's a guy who struggled on the B-side of the division with the B-side belt and ratings board while everyone else was watching the tail end of Tyson-Holy-Lewis who then benefitted from the retiring valent, a brother holding a valuable belt, and bodies throwing titles at him because he was the only HW who looked good on a poster.

No resume to speak of. You can tell me he gathered the belts but the ones he did own came to him and sanctioned one of his mandos. Wlad never took a vol his entire career, the belts he gathered he won off mandos of other belts.



Why do we have four belts, why do we have second tier belts in those four, why does everyone need a rematch clause, why do fighter negotiate themselves out of undisputed, and how come the bodies won't get out of the way for undisputed to be defended? Because you ****ers praise Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko like they are some how equal to Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Holyfield, Charles, etc.




Charles got 4 undisputed defenses. Usyk has none. If I made a Charles vs Usyk thread we'd have a debate where there should be none. Only one man proved his dominance on multiple occasions, the other requires narrative excuses to make him equal to his former.





MEANWHILE



If I present the idea that globalization in boxing happened in our lifetime and historical boxing need to be recategorized so that eras have greater similarities I get told I'm an ******* just because that means recognizing Dempsey, Johnson, and Greb as "world" champions before the globalization of boxing, or stripping them of the "world" part of their champion status.



Let's not act like boxing was different when Dempsey was champion of American and European whites

Let's not act like boxing was different when Ali is champion of the free world, no racial bars anymore.

Let's not dare act like Usyk is champion over a field that no longer bars USSR states.



The sport globalized and dominance became difficult ... ... ... ... uh ... like one would guess, but, if a nation, a culture, or a place is to be blamed for the difficulties globalization brought boxing it is Europe and the European love of lowering the bar to pretend your current champion is in the same league as our former champions.








In short, you ******* did this to yourselves. You being rhetorical, I don't mean anyone specifically and certainly not Shoulder, who I've known a long time and can safely say the only level of guilt he has in this is going along so he can communicate rather than argue all the time.


I too pretend Wlad was lineal. That way i don't have to be stuck in Wlad-lineal convos all the time, but the fact is, that **** did nothing for his status and when you guys act like he did it's really disrespectful to guys like Walcott who had a hard path and still found a way to be the one and only champion.

You work too hard, son.

[Dr Z]

Way bigger table and smaller balls. Much more difficult than pool.

Mr. Big balls is in the news currently. He is killing it it the sport of exposing wastefull spending. Who says politics isn't a contact sport?