Pacquiao - Measured against all time.

[QueensburyRules]

Eh, context needed. And kind of revisionist history.

Thurman hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in 2 years at that point, in his fight prior he barely got past an unranked Joseito Lopez and was rocked and hurt badly.

Also, Keith Thurman was barely even a puncher, let alone a "KO Artist."

Pacquaio was the betting favourite for a reason, despite the age gap.

Impressive win for sure but nothing that solidifies a Top 5 ATG status. Far from it.

- - Thurman was a touted prospect now champ with power, hence the "One Time" moniker implying all it takes for him is one punch.

He had every reason as an undefeated fighter to solidify his status vs a legend...

[HisExcellency]

Eh, context needed. And kind of revisionist history.

Thurman hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in 2 years at that point, in his fight prior he barely got past an unranked Joseito Lopez and was rocked and hurt badly.

Also, Keith Thurman was barely even a puncher, let alone a "KO Artist."

Pacquaio was the betting favourite for a reason, despite the age gap.

Impressive win for sure but nothing that solidifies a Top 5 ATG status. Far from it.

Lol...people always find a way to denigrate a fighter's achievements...they do it to Crawford, Canelo, Fury etc. all the time so why should Pacman be any different?!

At the end of the day, 40yo Pacman dropped & beat a 30yo previously undefeated Thurman in his PRIME who had a 76% KO ratio at the time (which MAKES him a puncher) and held wins over solid Welterweight champions like Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter & Robert Guerrero. Despite his lacklustre performance against Lopez (Pacquiao also lost to Horn 3 fights previously), Thurman was still the 'bogey man' in the division and a heavily avoided CHAMPION which makes Pacquiao's victory all the more impressive.

I'm sure you'll continue to play down his victory but for me it was the cherry on the cake (in addition to Pacquiao's previous body of work which included capturing world titles in 8 weight divisions) and confirmed his status as a top 5-10 ATG!

[IronDanHamza]

Lol...people always find a way to denigrate a fighter's achievements...they do it to Crawford, Canelo, Fury etc. all the time so why should Pacman be any different?!

At the end of the day, 40yo Pacman dropped & beat a 30yo previously undefeated Thurman in his PRIME who had a 76% KO ratio at the time (which MAKES him a puncher) and held wins over solid Welterweight champions like Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter & Robert Guerrero. Despite his lacklustre performance against Lopez (Pacquiao also lost to Horn 3 fights previously), Thurman was still the 'bogey man' in the division and a heavily avoided CHAMPION which makes Pacquiao's victory all the more impressive.

I'm sure you'll continue to play down his victory but for me it was the cherry on the cake (in addition to Pacquiao's previous body of work which included capturing world titles in 8 weight divisions) and confirmed his status as a top 5-10 ATG!

Manny Pacquaio is one of the greatest fighters that has ever lived, I have literally stated that in this very thread on the first page so what are you talking about?

I said beating Thurman at that stage doesn't attest to that. I wouldn't argue with anyone having Pacquaio in their Top 10 ATG list, that's with or without Thurman.

You're again, though, using revisionist history there.

#1, Thurman wasn't a champion at that point and certainly wasn't avoided, if anything he was avoiding Spence at that time.

#2. Thurman's not a puncher, a KO ratio vs unranked fighters doesn't make you a puncher. His KO ratio and even knockdown ratio against ranked fighters is very low, hence why he's not a "KO Artist" and far from it.

#3, Pacquaio at 40 years old was the betting favourite against Thurman, there's a reason for that.

That said, it's still a very good win that he deserves credit for it just does nothing to his ATG status.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Thurman was a touted prospect now champ with power, hence the "One Time" moniker implying all it takes for him is one punch.

He had every reason as an undefeated fighter to solidify his status vs a legend...

Couldn't care less what he chose as his nickname.

He's not a KO artist and that is just a fact.

He's not even a big puncher.

[djtmal]

I said beating Thurman at that stage doesn't attest to that. I wouldn't argue with anyone having Pacquaio in their Top 10 ATG list, that's with or without Thurman.

You're again, though, using revisionist history there.

#1, Thurman wasn't a champion at that point and certainly wasn't avoided, if anything he was avoiding Spence at that time.

Speaking of revisionist history, before this jumped off, your man crush Mayweather was avoiding Thurman. Thurman was Floyd's mandatory for years for his WBC belt. Called him out every chance he got. Floyd felt Marcos Madonna and Andre Berto were more worthy.

[IronDanHamza]

Speaking of revisionist history, before this jumped off, your man crush Mayweather was avoiding Thurman. Thurman was Floyd's mandatory for years for his WBC belt. Called him out every chance he got. Floyd felt Marcos Madonna and Andre Berto were more worthy.

Do you know what revisionist history means? Where have I revised history anywhere? I haven't made any claims that you've referred to in this post you dumb cunt.

If there was a time where Thurman was on the radar for a Floyd fight it was in 2014-2015. Pacquaio fought him in 2019. So it's totally irrelevant to the topic.

[djtmal]

Do you know what revisionist history means? Where have I revised history anywhere? I haven't made any claims that you've referred to in this post you dumb cunt.

If there was a time where Thurman was on the radar for a Floyd fight it was in 2014-2015. Pacquaio fought him in 2019. So it's totally irrelevant to the topic.

Thurman was a fighter that your man crush Floyd legitly avoided, thats why you trying to downplay him.

[HisExcellency]

Manny Pacquaio is one of the greatest fighters that has ever lived, I have literally stated that in this very thread on the first page so what are you talking about?

I said beating Thurman at that stage doesn't attest to that. I wouldn't argue with anyone having Pacquaio in their Top 10 ATG list, that's with or without Thurman.

You're again, though, using revisionist history there.

#1, Thurman wasn't a champion at that point and certainly wasn't avoided, if anything he was avoiding Spence at that time.

#2. Thurman's not a puncher, a KO ratio vs unranked fighters doesn't make you a puncher. His KO ratio and even knockdown ratio against ranked fighters is very low, hence why he's not a "KO Artist" and far from it.

#3, Pacquaio at 40 years old was the betting favourite against Thurman, there's a reason for that.

That said, it's still a very good win that he deserves credit for it just does nothing to his ATG status.

Lol you have the audacity to claim that I'm using 'revisionist history' and then go on to claim that 'Thurman WASN'T a champion' when in fact Manny stripped him of his WBA belt (look it up) and say he wasn't a puncher when he knocked out 22/29 opponents (76% KO ratio) when Manny stepped in the ring with him. Sorry but Keith Thurman was a well known KO artist in his prime and was heavily avoided for that reason (even if his KO streak ended when he faced the best fighter's in the division - ditto for Spence who ALSO failed to stop Garcia & Porter).

Anyhow, I'm glad you at least acknowledge that Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighter's that ever lived and probably the best p4p fighter since Roberto Duran. That's something we can both agree on!

[HisExcellency]

Speaking of revisionist history, before this jumped off, your man crush Mayweather was avoiding Thurman. Thurman was Floyd's mandatory for years for his WBC belt. Called him out every chance he got. Floyd felt Marcos Madonna and Andre Berto were more worthy.

So true...Manny had the balls to step in with Thurman aged 40 which is something Floyd would NEVER do.

[djtmal]

So true...Manny had the balls to step in with Thurman aged 40 which is something Floyd would NEVER do.

Lol. Now Thurman was a light hitting, mediocre prospect