Louis title opponents ranking as of their title shot?

[Dr. Z]

You haven't seen the complete Walcott fight,so you are in no position to give a verdict on it.

If the Conn fight was 12 rounds Louis would have gone to work earlier.
ie If the Jeffries v Corbett 1st fight was over 20rds Corbett would have been Champ again!
If the Johnson v Willard fight had been over 20 rds Johnson would have retained his title!

Louis had been retired for 2 years and 3 months when he came back to fight Charles.

Haters got to hate!


I predicted this,11 days ago!

"Joe Louis ,and Jack Johnson fans should prepare themselves for an onslaught of lies and defamation about them.in the near future.
A Leopard does not change its spots .
And a hating liar does not stop hating and lying."

I know something like 20 or 30 ringside reports gave the fight to Walcott. On the given footage I have seen, Walcott was clearly the better. Now what do you know about the fight? Please stop with the junk that Louis would have Ko'd Conn if the fight was 12 rounds, he was clearly rocked by the sub 170 pound non pucher in Conn in the 12th.

The rest of you post has been debunked before when you used to post as Ivich. Come out of the shadows, you are exposed. I will give you a chace to come clean OR you can keep on lying.

[Dr. Z]

I do not know how deliberate Louis was in his application of number's theory to heavyweight boxing, but it is all there... an understanding or probability that would make Post Modern epistemologists blush...

Here it goes: A puncher reduced to his most basic constitution knows ONE thing needs to exist for success in a fight. That being enough opportunities, some "amount" of shots landing that guarantee success. This is even more fundamental than "when" or "how" these shots come together because,before one can say "I would rather have 5 good shots in one round to try and get the KO" One has to get the opportunity in the first place.

Shannon Briggs once beat a fellow heavyweight after throwing virtually no punches the entire fight, settling the fight in the last round with a KO... This was luck but it illustrates the point. Louis was a master at patience and knowing how many cracks at the apple he needed. He never rushed his work, and Conn was perhaps his master stroke. It showed how Louis could use this probability, knowing he would get his chance, and itb showed how good he was when he got his chance.

It is a numbers game and Louis seemed to get this. All he ever seemed to ask for was a certain amount of opportunities, never to win rounds, or to hasten, or slow his pace. I don't claim to know if he internalized this... but the Conn fight was a master stroke. Dr Z should know that Louis knew it was a 15 round fight lol.

I know Louis was in a 15 round fight, but there were no plans on Conn gasing nor did he. There were not any plans on Louis being down on points and being rocked and battered in the 12th round. Let us be reasonable. Conn lost because he let the slow footed Louis catch up to him and slug, or as he puts it he was Irish.

Joe was lucky to get the 2 of the judges to vote for him over Walcott. He was fighting in his house ( MSG ). The reactions of Walcott corner and the thunderous boos can be clearly herd as the decision was announced. " Sorry Joe, Louis said to Walcott." Louis knew he really lost and his body laguage was that of the loser.

[Bronson66]

I know something like 20 or 30 ringside reports gave the fight to Walcott. On the given footage I have seen, Walcott was clearly the better. Now what do you know about the fight? Please stop with the junk that Louis would have Ko'd Conn if the fight was 12 rounds, he was clearly rocked by the sub 170 pound non pucher in Conn in the 12th.

The rest of you post has been debunked before when you used to post as Ivich. Come out of the shadows, you are exposed. I will give you a chace to come clean OR you can keep on lying.

32 writers were polled, 21 voted for Walcott 10 for Louis and I scored it a draw.
I know the score cards were 6-7 referee 8-6- judge 9-6judge he in favour of Louis .

Such close cards indicate it was no robbery.

I know as much about the fight as anyone alive ,what I have read and what footage I have seen.

I didn't say Louis would have ko'd Conn in ANY round.I said IF it had been a 12 rd fight he would have started earlier.

As usual Mr ****** you missed the point entirely .The point was over the shorter distance it would have been a different fight!

I'm in no shadow ,everyone here knows who I am,and when they see your spelling PUCHER. YOU. CHACE They know it is YOU illiterate DR Duck posting!

Now are you going to reply to my corrections of your posts on the Ali Holmes thread you made ? Or.are you going to pretend they don't exist,as you usually do when you are found out?

[Bronson66]

I know Louis was in a 15 round fight, but there were no plans on Conn gasing nor did he. There were not any plans on Louis being down on points and being rocked and battered in the 12th round. Let us be reasonable. Conn lost because he let the slow footed Louis catch up to him and slug, or as he puts it he was Irish.

Joe was lucky to get the 2 of the judges to vote for him over Walcott. He was fighting in his house ( MSG ). The reactions of Walcott corner and the thunderous boos can be clearly herd as the decision was announced. " Sorry Joe, Louis said to Walcott." Louis knew he really lost and his body laguage was that of the loser.

The score cards for the 12 completed rounds of Louis v Conn were as follows.

• Referee: Eddie Joseph 7-5
• Judge: Marty Monroe 7-4
• Judge: Bill Healy 6-6
• Nobody suggested Louis' plan was to let Conn gas out.

Louis stated he had no doubt he won the Walcott fight,he said it on national TV whilst sitting next to Walcott ,and he said it in his autobiography.

Louis said," sorry," to everyone he beat
Mendoza Speak?

• GASING HERD LAGUAGE

[billeau2]

I know Louis was in a 15 round fight, but there were no plans on Conn gasing nor did he. There were not any plans on Louis being down on points and being rocked and battered in the 12th round. Let us be reasonable. Conn lost because he let the slow footed Louis catch up to him and slug, or as he puts it he was Irish.

Joe was lucky to get the 2 of the judges to vote for him over Walcott. He was fighting in his house ( MSG ). The reactions of Walcott corner and the thunderous boos can be clearly herd as the decision was announced. " Sorry Joe, Louis said to Walcott." Louis knew he really lost and his body laguage was that of the loser.

You fail to see certain things... Consider the statement: "Geez I woulda won that fight if had put my hand up when he threw that shot that KO'ed me." Most of us, including you would recognize the folly in the statement. Yet you would impose a similar attitude on how Conn fought Louis? "If Conn would have just.... That is not how fights work Z... And in fact posters often are guilty of such folly. Fights are an organic and unfolding situation, they change on a dime at times, fighters have to be flexable and work from a different sense of probability than exists in pure "sports."

A quarterback on the 1 yard line, 4th down has a real sense that even if it fooled the other team, he does not want to send his wide reciever into the end zone long... He knows... and if he did such a thing, fans would be correct to say "That gave the other team one touchdown advantage." But a boxer? Deciding to attack at some point, its just not the same... Maybe Conn needed to make a statement to keep Louis from pressuring him, maybe he wound up somewhere because of the geometry of the ring... Etc etc etc. Fighters fight and make decisions differently and if football is a game of inches, fighting is a game of light speed. Conn's ability to make a decision when being pressured IS PART of the FIGHT! Louis caused the decision Conn made. Understand?

The quarterback, by comparison, had a time frame, a sense of what plays are workable for the situation and had the advantage of moving first... Especially the QB's now a days, most of who probably have very high IQ's, know the probability before the snap of what plays will succeed. Boxers never have such a pregnant pause. Strategy is an outliner... Once the round starts so many things come into play... Louis caused Conn's actions, as Conn caused Louis' actions. The QB? He started the play and the other team reacted to it.

The Walcott fight was close... Show me any great fighter who never got the benefit of a close decision and I will publicly apologize to you.

[Bronson66]

You fail to see certain things... Consider the statement: "Geez I woulda won that fight if had put my hand up when he threw that shot that KO'ed me." Most of us, including you would recognize the folly in the statement. Yet you would impose a similar attitude on how Conn fought Louis? "If Conn would have just.... That is not how fights work Z... And in fact posters often are guilty of such folly. Fights are an organic and unfolding situation, they change on a dime at times, fighters have to be flexable and work from a different sense of probability than exists in pure "sports."

A quarterback on the 1 yard line, 4th down has a real sense that even if it fooled the other team, he does not want to send his wide reciever into the end zone long... He knows... and if he did such a thing, fans would be correct to say "That gave the other team one touchdown advantage." But a boxer? Deciding to attack at some point, its just not the same... Maybe Conn needed to make a statement to keep Louis from pressuring him, maybe he wound up somewhere because of the geometry of the ring... Etc etc etc. Fighters fight and make decisions differently and if football is a game of inches, fighting is a game of light speed. Conn's ability to make a decision when being pressured IS PART of the FIGHT! Louis caused the decision Conn made. Understand?

The quarterback, by comparison, had a time frame, a sense of what plays are workable for the situation and had the advantage of moving first... Especially the QB's now a days, most of who probably have very high IQ's, know the probability before the snap of what plays will succeed. Boxers never have such a pregnant pause. Strategy is an outliner... Once the round starts so many things come into play... Louis caused Conn's actions, as Conn caused Louis' actions. The QB? He started the play and the other team reacted to it.

The Walcott fight was close... Show me any great fighter who never got the benefit of a close decision and I will publicly apologize to you.

Ruby Goldstein the referee had it 6-7 for Walcott.That isn't a robbery.

[billeau2]

Ruby Goldstein the referee had it 6-7 for Walcott.That isn't a robbery.

yeah it was simply a close fight. I was discussing this same topic regarding the Mayweather/Pacman fight. People often think there is a magic and objective way to see every last nuance in a fight... A virtual impossibility. The hand is not only quicker than the eye, but subtle defensive work, if and when a punch connects, And what of intangibles like the relative value of each kind of attack, does a body shot thrown in a bunch demand the same value as a good jab?

Hence we get close fights. This fight was simply that. At least that is how it looked to me.

[Kid Cauliflower]

31 writers were polled, 21 voted for Walcott 20 for Louis and I scored it a draw.
I know the score cards were 6-7 referee 8-6- judge 9-6judge he in favour of Louis .

Such close cards indicate it was no robbery.

I know as much about the fight as anyone alive ,what I have read and what footage I have seen.

I didn't say Louis would have ko'd Conn in ANY round.I said IF it had been a 12 rd fight he would have started earlier.

As usual Mr ****** you missed the point entirely .The point was over the shorter distance it would have been a different fight!

I'm in no shadow ,everyone here knows who I am,and when they see your spelling PUCHER. YOU. CHACE They know it is YOU illiterate DR Duck posting!

Now are you going to reply to my corrections of your posts on the Ali Holmes thread you made ? Or.are you going to pretend they don't exist,as you usually do when you are found out?

Yes, 21+20 is 31 and always has been.

[Bronson66]

Yes, 21+20 is 31 and always has been.

Yes ,you got me I typed in20 instead of10. my mistake.

[Dr. Z]

You fail to see certain things... Consider the statement: "Geez I woulda won that fight if had put my hand up when he threw that shot that KO'ed me." Most of us, including you would recognize the folly in the statement. Yet you would impose a similar attitude on how Conn fought Louis? "If Conn would have just.... That is not how fights work Z... And in fact posters often are guilty of such folly. Fights are an organic and unfolding situation, they change on a dime at times, fighters have to be flexable and work from a different sense of probability than exists in pure "sports."

A quarterback on the 1 yard line, 4th down has a real sense that even if it fooled the other team, he does not want to send his wide reciever into the end zone long... He knows... and if he did such a thing, fans would be correct to say "That gave the other team one touchdown advantage." But a boxer? Deciding to attack at some point, its just not the same... Maybe Conn needed to make a statement to keep Louis from pressuring him, maybe he wound up somewhere because of the geometry of the ring... Etc etc etc. Fighters fight and make decisions differently and if football is a game of inches, fighting is a game of light speed. Conn's ability to make a decision when being pressured IS PART of the FIGHT! Louis caused the decision Conn made. Understand?

The quarterback, by comparison, had a time frame, a sense of what plays are workable for the situation and had the advantage of moving first... Especially the QB's now a days, most of who probably have very high IQ's, know the probability before the snap of what plays will succeed. Boxers never have such a pregnant pause. Strategy is an outliner... Once the round starts so many things come into play... Louis caused Conn's actions, as Conn caused Louis' actions. The QB? He started the play and the other team reacted to it.

The Walcott fight was close... Show me any great fighter who never got the benefit of a close decision and I will publicly apologize to you.

Show you? Well, Larry Holmes was robbed in the re-match vs Spinks.