Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[The Big Dunn]

You're wrong as usual.

1: Mayweather "retired" rather than give Oscar a rematch.

2: Mosley called out Floyd back when he was at 135 and Floyd said no way. The toothache ordeal that you Floyd fans love to latch onto, was Shane asking for another month or two to recover from a loose tooth. He didn't duck Floyd because of a toothache, stop being dishonest.

3: You're babbling on about some conspiracy nonsense. Floyd is a racist and serial woman abuser who you defend at all costs. It's a reflection of your character.

The facts are, Manny spent his entire career running into the fire. Demanding the toughest opponents and even fighting them in rematches. He showed no fear of any opponent. Unlike Floyd who has a long list of potential opponents who he ducked or avoided over his career. Johnston, Freitas, Casamayor, Harris, Williams, Margarito, Winky, Sergio Martinez, Khan just to name a few.

Let's not forget he cheated against Marquez by intentionally missing weight for their catchweight and then refusing to be weighed on the day of the fight.

You have a racial bias against Floyd because you are noted for hating black people. Everything you posted lacks credibility and integrity. This will likely be my only response.

I was speaking about before the fight. You avoid that because it’s true. So you pivot to after it happened to make an unrelated point. Typical deflection.

ODH refused to fight him for a long time. Nothing you can post changes that fact.

Merchant literally called Shane out for doing exactly that to his face, in the post fight interview. Shane never asked for a month or two during that exchange.

Shane was at LW until 1999. Floyd was at 130 until 1999. There was no call out.

This is a a documented fact. Bob claimed Manny was ready to go. Soon as Nevada changed the jail start date, the fake stitches were put in. This was documented on this site and every major sports site.

Floyd’s out of ring issues or your biased, anti black opinion do not make this false or a conspiracy.

Ahh got it- if Floyd didn’t fight a guy he avoided or ducked him. As long as we apply this standard to everyone, cool. Of course you don’t because of your biases and in part because Floyd never lost so you have to find something. That is what losers do.

Yes he came in over and negotiated a 600k deal. You are not required to be weighed the day of the fight.

[IronDanHamza]

I think you're right about Mosley and the toothache thinking back on it now. But I'm sure there was more to it. He wouldn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito either, who was deemed the boogeyman before his cheating came to light. Also, bringing Marquez up two weight classes because there were dollars to be made, and then missing the agreed upon weight was also a bad look in my opinion. I will freely admit I'm not a fan of Mayweather as a person so hopefully my judgment isn't clouded.

There wasn’t more to it.

Your judgement is totally clouded and just not based reality.

Mayweather is a 5 weight, 4 Lineal, 13 time world champion, he beat 10 #1 ranked fighters, pretty sure nobody has ever done that. If they have, there’s not many.

He beat 15+ Top 5 ranked guys.

He beat 7 Top 10 P4P ranked fighters, only Pacquaio beat more.

He beat multiple prime HOF’ers.

To suggest that is a path of “least resistance” is nothing other than absurd.

[IronDanHamza]

Interesting you say this. When I say this people told me things like "Mosley priced himself out" or "The Manny fight would've happened sooner if he would have given in to all of Floyd's demands." So are these things true or not. I always got the feeling at least with Manny, that Floyd would have created more obstacles until he wanted to fight Manny. You say that and it seems okay. I say that and I'm suddenly the heel here.

You get schooled on this topic none stop and then just repeat the same nonsense again a few months/years later when it comes up again.

You are clueless.

[IronDanHamza]

So if Pac DID agree to drug testing, then why is it every time I bring this up and blame Floyd, everyone always says "but the fight would've happened sooner if Pac would've just agreed to take the test?" But now you're saying Manny did agree to testing and then it was about a money split. I knew it, I was right. So no matter what Pac agreed to, Floyd kept throwing up obstacles until the fight was delayed long enough for it to be easier to win for him. So basically, it gets down to the fact that Floyd nuthuggers are wrong and they just can't admit to it. It's a lack of accountability for a lot of his fans. Thanks for finally confirming what I knew all along.

You aren’t right.

Pacquaio didn’t agree to testing without a cut off date, that’s why the fight fell through in 2009. No other reason.

The money was agreed, as was everything else.

Get a clue.

[IronDanHamza]

He agreed to random urine and blood testing at the promotion before and after the fight. Mayweather wanted random blood testing done Olympic style. He then slandered Paquiao which caused the defamation lawsuit to which he kept no showing because he had no proof of his allegations.

Ok so in other words he didn’t agree to the testing then did he.

[GhostofDempsey]

You have a racial bias against Floyd because you are noted for hating black people. Everything you posted lacks credibility and integrity. This will likely be my only response.

I was speaking about before the fight. You avoid that because it’s true. So you pivot to after it happened to make an unrelated point. Typical deflection.

ODH refused to fight him for a long time. Nothing you can post changes that fact.

Merchant literally called Shane out for doing exactly that to his face, in the post fight interview. Shane never asked for a month or two during that exchange.

Shane was at LW until 1999. Floyd was at 130 until 1999. There was no call out.

This is a a documented fact. Bob claimed Manny was ready to go. Soon as Nevada changed the jail start date, the fake stitches were put in. This was documented on this site and every major sports site.

Floyd’s out of ring issues or your biased, anti black opinion do not make this false or a conspiracy.

Ahh got it- if Floyd didn’t fight a guy he avoided or ducked him. As long as we apply this standard to everyone, cool. Of course you don’t because of your biases and in part because Floyd never lost so you have to find something. That is what losers do.

Yes he came in over and negotiated a 600k deal. You are not required to be weighed the day of the fight.

Already starting with the lies. I am or have been a fan of Hagler, Hearns, Tyson, Jones Jr., Lewis, Terry Norris, Bud Crawford, and countless black fighters throughout history. I guess they aren't black enough for you? Your pathetic race-card playing is to be expected, which is odd considering Floyd is a proven racist and YOU are the one who has been banned for racism, not me.

You never post in the history forum but you saw a Floyd thread on the front page and felt compelled to run to his rescue, right on cue, LOL.

Shane had just finished a grueling fight and was asked to fight Floyd. He mentioned he was headbutted and his tooth was loose. Later he asked for a month or two to heal and was denied.

A: Like I said, he’s really a liar. He likes to lie a lot. In 1999 there’s a film where he’s fighting in Michigan when he was fighting at 130 and I was fighting at 135, and I asked him, like when HBO does the prefight analysts talk to the fighters before they fight. I talked to him, and hopefully it’s recorded somewhere—I think it was on FX—I asked him, “Are you planning on coming up to lightweight to fight me?” And he said, “No,” He had no intention of coming to lightweight to fight me, he wanted t beat Carlos Monzon’s record. He didn’t want to come to lightweight. That’s when I jumped from lightweight to welterweight to fight Oscar De La Hoya. That was the first incident that he’s talking about, so he turned me down in 1999. Now, the other time he’s talking about is when I fought three times—one, two, three, back-to-back-to-back—and they tried to rush me to fight him right away, like two or three months later. I said, give me a month, and we’ll do it like, I think it was in January—I said, “We’ll do it in January”. They wanted to do it in like November or December, and I said, “Give me a month and we’ll do it in January or February.” They didn’t want to do that. So they chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya. I said, “Go ahead and fight Oscar, and if you beat Oscar, then let’s get busy. Let’s do this.” He beat Oscar—he didn’t want to fight me. He’s been turning me down. I hate when he continues to say, “Oh, he turned me down because of a tooth ache”. Yeah. I got head butted in that fight that and my tooth was loose that night. They asked me to fight Mayweather and I said, “Give me an extra month, and I’ll fight him.” He didn’t want to fight me, which was cool. He could go and fight Oscar because that’s more money. Okay. That’s cool, but after that fight if you win—fight me. He didn’t want to do that. He chose to retire or fight somebody else. I’m getting tired of that lie! They need to wipe that lie out of there. The reporters and stuff, they keep saying it, so that lie needs to be talked about.

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Show proof where Manny ducked Floyd with fake stitches. You have none. Meanwhile we have at least ten excuses on record of Floyd ducking Manny and some of his other pathetic excuses.

1- Manny needs to do blood testing up to day prior to fight
2- Manny PPV numbers not high enough
3- Manny needs to leave Arum
4- Where was he in the 90’s?
5- Manny not good enough
6- I’m afraid for my family
7- He came up from 106 (so did Floyd as an amateur) They came up the same amount of weight in the same amount of years.
8- He has losses (Manny and Mosley)
9- Manny’s win over Rios doesn’t count, it was a comedy act
10- 2008 - Floyd "retires" when he takes a hard look around the division and sees a PRIME Cotto, Margarito, and Pacquiao breathing down his neck.
11- 2010 & 2011 - Manny Pacquiao agrees to Floyd's demands of random testing...Floyd goes silent.
12- 2013 - Manny agrees to take a lesser cut of the purse...Floyd demands even more in order to price himself out of the fight.
13- Floyd prices himself out again offering $40M
14- I was severely dehydrated (when asked why he needed an illegal IV before the fight)—yet in an interview with Jim Gray after the fight he says “It has always been easy for me to make the 147-pound weight.” He only weight 150 just 30 days prior to the fight, how was he so dehydrated losing only three pounds in a month?
15- When asked why he performed so poorly in the first Castillo fight which many believe Floyd lost, he said he injured his shoulder. Yet he would mock Manny for the same excuse (at least Manny’s injury was real)
16- Manny fights catch weights (Floyd himself fought CW vs Marquez and Canelo)
17- Manny fights my leftovers (Manny destroyed similar opponents and Floyd would also go on to fight Manny leftovers...JMM, Cotto)
18- Retired in his prime to avoid DLH rematch, Margarito and prime Manny, Cotto, Mosley, Williams)
19- Manny has Marquez issues
20- After calling out Winky at 154 amd Wright calling his bluff, and drafting up contract, he moved the goal post and priced himself out of the fight.

You're race-ranting is pathetic yet predictable. Also full of hypocrisy since you've been banned for your racism.

[travestyny]

Jesus Christ. I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a Pac/May thread since that's not the central topic, but alas, such is Boxingscene. Sorry, Jab.


Anyway, remember the hoopla about the cut off dates? And remember Kevin Iole going on record saying that he had seen the contract Floyd had signed and sent to Pac during the first negotiation. So detailed that it had who would walk out first and whose name would appear on the bill first. Both sides had agreed at that time, a contract was sent out, and then Pac's side balked and refused to sign....over having a 15 day cut-off was it?

After that, Mayweather then said there would be no cut-off dates for any of his fights. He also then began saying it won't be a 50/50 split anymore, which that first contract was for. Maybe you can blame him for the money split, but in the end Pac had a better offer on the table in the initial contract. 50/50 split and 15 day cut off period for testing.

In the end, he got what...40/60 I believe, and 0 day cut-off. Probably why Roach admits it was their side's fault that the fight didn't happen during the initial negotiation. Pac's negotiation position diminished and he had to accept a deal that was worse than the initial one.

But if you ask me, Arum wanted to keep Pac away from Floyd as long as he could. I don't think he believed he could beat Floyd, and there was too much money to make in house before going that route.

Remember what got the ball really rolling....Mayweather approaching Pac at that basketball game to get the fight done.

[JAB5239]

Ok so in other words he didn’t agree to the testing then did he.

Why did he need to agree when Floyd was clearly pushing the goalposts back? I guess Floyd ducked the fight because he didn't agree to a 50/50 split even though it would have generated him more money than he had ever made? Many agreed to several blood tests, regular urine tests and a good test after the fight. If he needed to do more because Floyd said so than Floyd needed to sign 50/50 because Manny said so. You can't have it both ways.

And when they finally did fight wasn't it Floyd who took a banned IV before the fight that didn't get approved until after the fight? Money talks I guess.

[IronDanHamza]

Why did he need to agree when Floyd was clearly pushing the goalposts back? I guess Floyd ducked the fight because he didn't agree to a 50/50 split even though it would have generated him more money than he had ever made? Many agreed to several blood tests, regular urine tests and a good test after the fight. If he needed to do more because Floyd said so than Floyd needed to sign 50/50 because Manny said so. You can't have it both ways.

And when they finally did fight wasn't it Floyd who took a banned IV before the fight that didn't get approved until after the fight? Money talks I guess.

Didn’t push the goalpost back at any point.

Floyd requested USADA drug testing with no cut off date, which is more than reasonable. Pacquaio flat out refused that and thus the fight fell through. Extremely cut and dry, which Freddie Roach himself has admitted was their sides fault (2009 negotiations)

Floyd did agree to 50/50. So you’re wrong again. Everything was agreed, money, location, date, 10 million per lb overweight (requested by Pacquaio). The only thing that wasn’t agreed with drug testing with no cut off date.

So I think we should leave the revisionist history at the door and stick to what actually happened.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Mayweather is flat overrated. Anyone without an empty head sees this easily. He is not one of the greatest fighters of all time--his schedule was too soft for that--he was one of the best defensive fighters ever, but that is about it. History will not credit him for what he did not do, future generations will see right through him with their lack of interest in what he did do. His own history is pat for all to see. His actual career was not much more dangerous than his exhibition schedule.

People are not even interested in him on a boxing forum. How many threads about Mayweather around here?

He made more money than any other fighter--that is his big legacy. All the halfwits proclaiming MW's absolute fighting ascendancy are gone now, gone back to their rap music and rap sheets. They were not even boxing fans but one-timers out for a joyride.

Anyone placing him anywhere near the AT top 25 list is obviously someone with a secondary agenda IMO. AT greatness has to be proven, and he did not prove it to the extent necessary. He had the chances to, but like most glory hogs he convinced himself he had already done that. But waiting and marinating is for steaks and chops, not for boxing matches. So sorry, Floyd honey. You don't even have a record next to a man like Duran who proved every bit of what he had to.