Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[Anthony342]

I think the blame falls more on Floyd, but it was a very ugly affair whichever side of the fence you're on. Pac agreed to drug testing, Floyd wanted more. Than there were the unfounded allegations of steroid use and the defamation lawsuit by Pac. Floyd's racist rant calling pac yellow and saying he make him make a sushi roll or something like that. Then there was the purse split and Floyd refusing 50/50. That to me was ridiculous since the were both the best and most popular fighters in the world. Floyd would have made more than any other fight but his ego wouldn't budge. Bob Arum didn't seem to help anything with his blustering either from the Pacquiao side of things.

So if Pac DID agree to drug testing, then why is it every time I bring this up and blame Floyd, everyone always says "but the fight would've happened sooner if Pac would've just agreed to take the test?" But now you're saying Manny did agree to testing and then it was about a money split. I knew it, I was right. So no matter what Pac agreed to, Floyd kept throwing up obstacles until the fight was delayed long enough for it to be easier to win for him. So basically, it gets down to the fact that Floyd nuthuggers are wrong and they just can't admit to it. It's a lack of accountability for a lot of his fans. Thanks for finally confirming what I knew all along.

[Anthony342]

I think the blame falls more on Floyd, but it was a very ugly affair whichever side of the fence you're on. Pac agreed to drug testing, Floyd wanted more. Than there were the unfounded allegations of steroid use and the defamation lawsuit by Pac. Floyd's racist rant calling pac yellow and saying he make him make a sushi roll or something like that. Then there was the purse split and Floyd refusing 50/50. That to me was ridiculous since the were both the best and most popular fighters in the world. Floyd would have made more than any other fight but his ego wouldn't budge. Bob Arum didn't seem to help anything with his blustering either from the Pacquiao side of things.

Oh and I think the reason why I know so much about boxing history is what I've learned from you since I first registered here.

[JAB5239]

So if Pac DID agree to drug testing, then why is it every time I bring this up and blame Floyd, everyone always says "but the fight would've happened sooner if Pac would've just agreed to take the test?" But now you're saying Manny did agree to testing and then it was about a money split. I knew it, I was right. So no matter what Pac agreed to, Floyd kept throwing up obstacles until the fight was delayed long enough for it to be easier to win for him. So basically, it gets down to the fact that Floyd nuthuggers are wrong and they just can't admit to it. It's a lack of accountability for a lot of his fans. Thanks for finally confirming what I knew all along.

He agreed to random urine and blood testing at the promotion before and after the fight. Mayweather wanted random blood testing done Olympic style. He then slandered Paquiao which caused the defamation lawsuit to which he kept no showing because he had no proof of his allegations.

[JAB5239]

Oh and I think the reason why I know so much about boxing history is what I've learned from you since I first registered here.

That's kind and I appreciate it, but I learn just as much from you and others on here daily.

[QueensburyRules]

Mayweather was consciously waiting them out. Canelo may figure he has enough legacy already and now wants to top off the treasure chest with a few easy fights. Canelo does not have a style that preserves the fighter. Mayweather did. Canelo will age as much as anyone he would try to wait out.

- - Canelo a pure counterpuncher throwed in vs growed men since he was 15. He’s now 33 with infinitely more fights than l’l floydy and he Crack Daddy. He’s the ultimate away fighter.

Gotta say l’l floydy the better woman beater though…

[DeeMoney]

I think the Mayweather waiting game is a bit inverted from the Canelo one.

Mayweather built his name up as an exciting young fighter (PBF), and then later in his career took down big name fighters who were past their primes.

Canelo built his name big by taking down old, past their prime fighters while he was still young. Then used that name recognition to become the face of boxing & be a little more picky later in his career.

Both tremendous fighters though.

[GhostofDempsey]

I think the blame falls more on Floyd, but it was a very ugly affair whichever side of the fence you're on. Pac agreed to drug testing, Floyd wanted more. Than there were the unfounded allegations of steroid use and the defamation lawsuit by Pac. Floyd's racist rant calling pac yellow and saying he make him make a sushi roll or something like that. Then there was the purse split and Floyd refusing 50/50. That to me was ridiculous since the were both the best and most popular fighters in the world. Floyd would have made more than any other fight but his ego wouldn't budge. Bob Arum didn't seem to help anything with his blustering either from the Pacquiao side of things.

Floyd basically admitted after the Pacquiao fight that he marinated the fight for five years to make it a bigger fight. As if he were some clairvoyant Nostradamus of boxing. What he was really doing was waiting for Manny to lose a step and become battle worn over the course of those five years. Manny wanted the fight and agreed to testing in 2011. Afterwards Floyd came up with almost a dozen excuses to dodge him. It's exactly what he did with Tank, insisting Loma "will be 40 someday" before they agree to fight him. Even when Tank was 25 he insisted he was too young to fight Loma, yet he insisted on full credit for defeating a 23 year old Canelo.

I wouldn't necessarily say Canelo is doing what Floyd did. He did take on a prime GGG, and while he got gifts in the first two fights he didn't try to run or clinch in those fights. He waited too long for the trilogy. He also went to 175 and tested himself against a prime Bivol, perhaps a cherry-pick gone wrong, but he did challenge himself against a very skilled, prime fighter who was at his best, something Floyd failed to do in his career. Canelo was open to fighting Jermall Charlo who priced himself out. Thus far I'd say Benavidez and maybe Zurdo are the only two fighters I can see he avoided. Beterbiev, but I wouldn't hold that against him. He's not obligated to go back up to 175 for that fight.

Now if Bud Crawford offers to move up and he avoids him, that's a bad look and suggests a pattern in the mold of Mayweather.

I do feel there is a cloud of su****ion hanging over both of their careers. Canelo having tested positive for PEDs, and Floyd being caught with an illegal IV and having su****iously low testosterone count. Not to mention the alleged sealed documentation of him having used illegal painkillers for his hands on several occasions.

[JAB5239]

I think the Mayweather waiting game is a bit inverted from the Canelo one.

Mayweather built his name up as an exciting young fighter (PBF), and then later in his career took down big name fighters who were past their primes.

Canelo built his name big by taking down old, past their prime fighters while he was still young. Then used that name recognition to become the face of boxing & be a little more picky later in his career.

Both tremendous fighters though.

Good post!

[The Big Dunn]

First off Floyd Mayweather was a supremely talented fighter, and exciting to watch when he was "Pretty boy" and not "Money" Mayweather. But his career was well orchestrated to make money rather than taking on the hardest fights against prime fighters, the most deserving fighters instead waiting them out. Is Canelo now following the Mayweather recipe for success trying to wait out the best or pick the weakest links for his titles?

The problem with this my friend is you leave out 3 big facts;

1. ODH refused to fight him when he initially called him out and Bob said he wouldn’t make that fight.

2. Mosley refused to fight citing a toothache. Also, if you recall, Merchant, who hated Floyd, pointed out Naseem and others weren’t going to fight him either.

3. Manny not taking the $40 mil was one thing. The fact he had Bob’s son in law give him stitches right after Nevada delayed his jail start date so they could fight was a pure duck.

I think once he got on top, Floyd behaved exactly like these dudes treated him. Many have an issue with that. Cool I get that.

Long as when we tell the story we remember all the facts.

[GhostofDempsey]

The problem with this my friend is you leave out 3 big facts;

1. ODH refused to fight him when he initially called him out and Bob said he wouldn’t make that fight.

2. Mosley refused to fight citing a toothache. Also, if you recall, Merchant, who hated Floyd, pointed out Naseem and others weren’t going to fight him either.

3. Manny not taking the $40 mil was one thing. The fact he had Bob’s son in law give him stitches right after Nevada delayed his jail start date so they could fight was a pure duck.

I think once he got on top, Floyd behaved exactly like these dudes treated him. Many have an issue with that. Cool I get that.

Long as when we tell the story we remember all the facts.

You're wrong as usual.

1: Mayweather "retired" rather than give Oscar a rematch.

2: Mosley called out Floyd back when he was at 135 and Floyd said no way. The toothache ordeal that you Floyd fans love to latch onto, was Shane asking for another month or two to recover from a loose tooth. He didn't duck Floyd because of a toothache, stop being dishonest.

3: You're babbling on about some conspiracy nonsense. Floyd is a racist and serial woman abuser who you defend at all costs. It's a reflection of your character.

The facts are, Manny spent his entire career running into the fire. Demanding the toughest opponents and even fighting them in rematches. He showed no fear of any opponent. Unlike Floyd who has a long list of potential opponents who he ducked or avoided over his career. Johnston, Freitas, Casamayor, Harris, Williams, Margarito, Winky, Sergio Martinez, Khan just to name a few.

Let's not forget he cheated against Marquez by intentionally missing weight for their catchweight and then refusing to be weighed on the day of the fight.