Frazier v Marciano The Ring's Verdict.

[Ivich]

I change my response. Frazier rocks Marciano early with a vicious left hook. Immediately after marciano keeps a strong hard pace and begins to pulverize frazier, who gets hurt bad at the end of the round and stopped bad the very next round. Absolute hopeless match for Joe Frazier

Yeah Marciano who took 9 rounds to get rid of chubby ****ell who finished on his feet , is going to take out Frazier inside two rounds.
Which top heavy did he do this to?
Don't say Walcott in their 2nd fight Walcott,Walcott quit.

[Bundana]

Yeah Marciano who took 9 rounds to get rid of chubby ****ell who finished on his feet , is going to take out Frazier inside two rounds.
Which top heavy did he do this to?
Don't say Walcott in their 2nd fight Walcott,Walcott quit.

I don't think, he really believes this - or all the other nonsense he pollutes this forum with! This ridiculous Marciano hype, as well the constant belittling of modern boxers, must be the result of an elaborate prank, that now has been going on for years. I don't know, why it makes his day, to see us react to these outlandish claims - but obviously it does!

[BKM-]

I don't think, he really believes this - or all the other nonsense he pollutes this forum with! This ridiculous Marciano hype, as well the constant belittling of modern boxers, must be the result of an elaborate prank, that now has been going on for years. I don't know, why it makes his day, to see us react to these outlandish claims - but obviously it does!

The kid has severe mental issues(Just look at his behavior in his recent boxing video thread). I stopped taking him seriously for the most part years ago.

[sleazyfellow]

Yeah Marciano who took 9 rounds to get rid of chubby ****ell who finished on his feet , is going to take out Frazier inside two rounds.
Which top heavy did he do this to?
Don't say Walcott in their 2nd fight Walcott,Walcott quit.

Marciano did indeed look bad against ****ell but that fight would have been stopped multiple times today, dude was out on his feet and stumbling multiple times.

Yeah I'm in the same boat when talking about that 2nd Wallcott fight. Joe didn't want to go through what he did the first fight just like Liston didn't want to with that second Ali fight (coincidentally Walcott was ref in) and got hit once and fell down.

[QueensburyRules]

Marciano did indeed look bad against ****ell but that fight would have been stopped multiple times today, dude was out on his feet and stumbling multiple times.

Yeah I'm in the same boat when talking about that 2nd Wallcott fight. Joe didn't want to go through what he did the first fight just like Liston didn't want to with that second Ali fight (coincidentally Walcott was ref in) and got hit once and fell down.

- - Ali would've been DQed in both Liston fights had there been a decent ref in charge instead of the usual goons...duh...

[QueensburyRules]

Why should Ali have been dsq'd in the first Liston fight?

What was wrong with the referee Barney Felix,he refereed 235 fights?

- - Screamed to Dundee to cut his gloves off in his corner after the 4th round. Grounds for DQ or TKO. Did the same thing in the Frazier Trilogy after the 14th round. Before the ref could stop the fight, Eddie Futch signaled to the ref he was stopping Frazier in one of the most monumental bonehead decisions in boxing history.

[QueensburyRules]

He had an astringent substance in his eyes and rightly or wrongly , believed he was being deliberately blinded.
No screaming and no grounds for a dsq or a tko.
The referee at no time though about stopping the Ali vFrazier third fight.

Eddie Futch is as good a trainer as has ever climbed through the ropes.Knowing Frazier could not see those right hands coming and was being caught flush he did the decent ,compassionate thing and stopped the fight,perhaps saving Frazier from permanent damage
Do me a favour keep off my threads, if you want to see your name," up in lights",make your own threads, we don't need ignorant and ****** remarks from you. .

- - When a fighter quits a fight, he quits and anybody who knows the rules of boxing knows that even turning your back to walk away in the middle of a round is grounds for DQ/TKO, but Boxing is the most ******ly hamhanded officiated sport in history. Always has been...

[them_apples]

Yeah Marciano who took 9 rounds to get rid of chubby ****ell who finished on his feet , is going to take out Frazier inside two rounds.
Which top heavy did he do this to?
Don't say Walcott in their 2nd fight Walcott,Walcott quit.

Yes because ****ell was supposed to be an easy fight, only ****ell actually tried. Be careful using ****ell to discredit Rocky, ****ell went into survival mode after he hit rock with one good shot and caught the beating of his life. One sided beating where Rocky threw 130 punches in one round. ****ell ran. This fight was a onesided beating. Completely dominated in every sense of the word.

Frazier won’t run, hell try and take Marciano out and this will be a mistake. He won’t run though and this will take a beating.

should I dig up lesser fighters that Joe struggled with? Or does this only work when it comes to Marciano?

[them_apples]

Frazier's accuracy and Marciano's lack of it are seldom mentioned.

Marciano is not accurate? Clearly you don’t ever watch his fights. Your opinions sound like you are just regurgitating the press. Marciano had ATG timing. He would land with precision thats how he registered such brutal knockouts. His ko of Walcott was absurd level timing.

you are just being conned by his rugged style you fail to see the level he is playing at

[them_apples]

.Do you think he deliberately targeted fighters arms rather than hitting them in the face or body?
In some fights Marciano missed punches by several feet ,in2 he actually fell over after missing.

Everything you state as gospel about your hero has been emphatically proven to be BS.!

15 mile runs in weighted boots 30 rds on a 300lbs bag,he was an accurate puncher etc. Its all BS!

The reason Marciano took so long to get rid of these past prime men was precisely because he WAS inaccurate with his punches!

How many brutal knockouts have you seen him register ?

How many men have you seen him actually ko?

With all this vaunted power and all this accuracy how come his fights developed into wars of attrition?

; Walcott took a much fresher version of Charles out clinically, and cleanly with ONE PUNCH.

Marciano facing an older more used up Charles bludgeoned him incessantly before getting the stoppage.

Marciano took 9 rounds to get rid of a 41 years old Moore who collapsed from exhaustion ,he was counted out sitting on the canvas trying to rise.

He took 9 rds to stop a brutally overmatched ****ell who was belatedly rescued on his feet by the referee.

He took 8 rds to stop Charles who had gone the distance in their 1 st fight.

He took 11 rds to stop Lastarza who ,at the end was a stationary target, Lastarza was on his feet. Lastarza went the distance in their 1 st fight
Thirty eight years old Walcott went13 rds and was in front at the time of the ko.
You said all Marciano's fights were one sided beatdowns.
When I posted the scorecards and reporters comments on them that directly contradicted this you
said the judges didn't know what they were looking at,and that their scores did not accurately reflect what happened in those fights.
When I pointed out to you have only seen highlights of several of the fights and nothing at all of the 1st Lastarza fight , or the Lowry fights,you had no answer to offer.
When I asked you for proof of your more outlandish claims about Marciano's training,you posted NOTHING.

When I posted sources that totally contradicted your claims and asked for yours,you posted NOTHING.

When confronted by PROOF you are wrong ,you have 2 hackneyed recourses that you immediately fall back on.

1. I haven't seen the fights. I bought them on Super 8mm in the 60's and have watched all available footage of Marciano multiple times.

2.I don't understand what I am looking at. I boxed at a low level for nearly 20 years,have a decent library of fights and a comprehensive library of boxing books.

I also have been a regular attendee at the fights for more years than I care to remember , the Cooper v MIldenberger match being my first introduction to live fights.My best friend's Father was close friends with Davey Jones Mickey Duff's Secretary and ,through him we got excellent seats at all Duff's promotions.

I only mention this to show, I do know what I am watching and how to read a fight.


I have been reluctant to join the consensus ,that believes you have some mental issues,but now I have.

You are not dealing with a full deck.

Read it all, not gonna respond. I have answered so many of the questions you are asking already and numerous times

you are not making good points at all, non of it actually makes any sense

if you don’t recall any of my arguments than I won’t keep reposting them 50 times over - its exhausting