Did any fighter ever look more spectacular than Roy Jones Jr?

[Dr. Z]

Not for me. Not for any period of time like RJJ.

I've seen guys look great on a night. I've seen guys look great on offense, defense or ring IQ-wise specifically for awhile. I've never seen a guy who looked great overall for as long as I've seen RJJ do it.

Nor have I.

But the cloud if PED's, his known tested of steroids 5 x the legal limit, and um, business choices of facing the old and not ready, go hand in hand with his ability. IMO he is a very talented fighter, but he is also a glass jaw guy, a very risk adverse guy, and a big time ducker of DM.

The man has not been in one great fight in career!

Why did Roy Jones Jr. never fight Benn, Barkley, Eubank, McCellan, or Nunn? IMO these guys, some who longer, other tougher could have tested Jones and if he picked them maybe he would have been in a great fight, win, lose or draw. But his career is void of great fights.

[QueensburyRules]

Roy Jones??....Don't you mean ROID Jones.

- - Uh, oh, U 'roids flaming out again?

Never Fear!!!





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[Eff Pandas]

Nor have I.

But the cloud if PED's, his known tested of steroids 5 x the legal limit, and um, business choices of facing the old and not ready, go hand in hand with his ability. IMO he is a very talented fighter, but he is also a glass jaw guy, a very risk adverse guy, and a big time ducker of DM.

The man has not been in one great fight in career!

Why did Roy Jones Jr. never fight Benn, Barkley, Eubank, McCellan, or Nunn? IMO these guys, some who longer, other tougher could have tested Jones and if he picked them maybe he would have been in a great fight, win, lose or draw. But his career is void of great fights.

As my sig pic shows I think PEDs are in boxing more than the avg boxing fan. So to me PEDs are being used by lotsa ppl without being caught who perform at less than a HOF or spectacular level than RJJ.

Everyone has guys they didn't fight. Its the nature of the sport that you can't fight everyone. And again the guy you are **** measuring against RJJ guy has less names on his resume & never looked as spectacular as RJJ vs low level guys let alone the higher level guys RJJ fought & usually beat.

[BKM-]

As my sig pic shows I think PEDs are in boxing more than the avg boxing fan. So to me PEDs are being used by lotsa ppl without being caught who perform at less than a HOF or spectacular level than RJJ.

Everyone has guys they didn't fight. Its the nature of the sport that you can't fight everyone. And again the guy you are **** measuring against RJJ guy has less names on his resume & never looked as spectacular as RJJ vs low level guys let alone the higher level guys RJJ fought & usually beat.

I'm sure there were reasons, there's always reasons for why a fighter didn't fight this one and vice cersa. Especially with the RJJ case, issues with purses, weights, countries to fight in and on and on and on. The kind of drama that makes me physically illl following a once great sport.

But in the end it doesn't matter. What matters is what names you fought, when you fought them and how well you did. It's simply a fact that he fought in a relatively strong era and he has very little to show for it on his record. Weight this, contract that, country this and that. Means nothing. He didn't fight them so he gets no credit for it and he will never be ranked one of the all time greatest. Same with Tyson. Rooney nothing. The man fought in a strong era and look at the facts, his record? weak.
(Not really a knock on you in specifically, I'm venting in general)

You don't get credit for showing the potential. You only get credit for reaching it.

[Dr. Z]

As my sig pic shows I think PEDs are in boxing more than the avg boxing fan. So to me PEDs are being used by lotsa ppl without being caught who perform at less than a HOF or spectacular level than RJJ.

Everyone has guys they didn't fight. Its the nature of the sport that you can't fight everyone. And again the guy you are **** measuring against RJJ guy has less names on his resume & never looked as spectacular as RJJ vs low level guys let alone the higher level guys RJJ fought & usually beat.

Well the average Roy Jones opponent was happy to be paid! Again Jones tested 5 x the limit and did not fight DM! Nor did he fight Benn, Barkley, Eubank, McCellan, or Nunn form 160-175.

He has no great boxing fights on his resume. But he badly Ko'd twice before the age of 36. One was a early one punch KO when both men were 35, the other was a brutal KO for a 40-9-2 fringe contender. Both me were 35 when it happed here too.

IMO Jones lost badly to the best fighter he fought in Calzaghe, Jones face was a mess in that one.

ref: Hubert Earle Julie Lederman 109-118 Terry O'Connor 109-118 Jerry Roth 109-118

Now watch the Roy Jones fans ignore these points. And how much does his PED's and business choices in boxing have to do with his success against B level oppoents? Well, I don't know it is hard to say. But he was a certified ROID abuser and 5 times the legal limit when tested which only happened ONCE.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm sure there were reasons, there's always reasons for why a fighter didn't fight this one and vice cersa. Especially with the RJJ case, issues with purses, weights, countries to fight in and on and on and on. The kind of drama that makes me physically illl following a once great sport.

But in the end it doesn't matter. What matters is what names you fought, when you fought them and how well you did. It's simply a fact that he fought in a relatively strong era and he has very little to show for it on his record. Weight this, contract that, country this and that. Means nothing. He didn't fight them so he gets no credit for it and he will never be ranked one of the all time greatest. Same with Tyson. Rooney nothing. The man fought in a strong era and look at the facts, his record? weak.
(Not really a knock on you in specifically, I'm venting in general)

You don't get credit for showing the potential. You only get credit for reaching it.

- - Well, boxing ain't your strong suit, so of course every milk dud sucker gonna have an opinion. It don't change that both Roy who had a much longer career at the top and Mike Tyson were regarded as best ever by most historical old guys singing their praises. They were winning most every round in between their KOs.

Had they retired on top with finances intact in the case of Tyson, they'd generally win the debate as to the best ever.

You da Milk Dud champ...

[Dr. Z]

Nor have I.

But the cloud if PED's, his known tested of steroids 5 x the legal limit, and um, business choices of facing the old and not ready, go hand in hand with his ability. IMO he is a very talented fighter, but he is also a glass jaw guy, a very risk adverse guy, and a big time ducker of DM.

The man has not been in one great fight in career!

Why did Roy Jones Jr. never fight Benn, Barkley, Eubank, McCellan, or Nunn? IMO these guys, some who longer, other tougher could have tested Jones and if he picked them maybe he would have been in a great fight, win, lose or draw. But his career is void of great fights.

@Rjj-94-02-goat


You have been requested to reply, and do NOT attempt to switch other fighters names and think you can bait your way out of this. This thread is about Roy Jones.

[Ivich]

Yep and yet he still managed to knock down Joe in the first round, just as Hopkins did. Just imagine how much sharper both guys would be if the fight happens sooner. Yes Joe would've been younger too, but he still gets caught more. Roy uses speed and Hopkins would still be able to time him and fight on the inside, as he was known to do. Roy wins easy from the outside and Bernard probably an ugly UD either widely or close if Joe catches him early and scores a KD of his own if these happen a few years before they did. You guys have picks for those fights if they happened sooner? And I've heard the consensus is that Roy relied more on speed and reflexes than technical skill, sometimes holding hands a little low or using a left hook to start/get inside/get off instead of a jab. He still had skills, but is that accurate? I've heard that sometimes said about Ali too.

Calzaghe was asked why he fought Jones and Hopkins so late in their careers? He said,"boxing is a business."

Barkley and Jones were never ranked in the same division at the same time

[Anthony342]

Calzaghe was asked why he fought Jones and Hopkins so late in their careers? He said,"boxing is a business."

Barkley and Jones were never ranked in the same division at the same time

Did someone mention Barkley? I think Darius, Benn and McClellan were mentioned as opponents Roy didn't face.

[IronDanHamza]

Did someone mention Barkley? I think Darius, Benn and McClellan were mentioned as opponents Roy didn't face.

Yeah they did.

Try reading the thread maybe.