Is Spinks p4p one of the greatest contemporary fighters of all time

[Tatabanya]

- - Spinks easily dismantled prime Qawi.

Well, not that easily. He won by a 3-4 point margin (in a 15-rounder), and suffered quite a bit in the second half of the fight, when Braxton came back strong.

Incidentally, Braxton had been diagnosed with pneumonia a few days prior to the fight, but decided to go on nevertheless. To balance this, Spinks had lost his partner shortly before.

[Willie Pep 229]

Why didn't you say it was those other fighters at their worst and Spinks at his best? Hell, I bet he beats the version of Tyson that lost to Lewis as well. That doesn't mean anything. At their best I see them all beating him, with the possible exception of Moorer.

No offense or disrespect to Spinks who is probably the best LH ever.

I see these HW champs beating Spinks in their primes. Wait, the other list is shorter. He would probably beat:

Sullivan
Burns
Hart
Willard
Sharkey
Braddock
Schmeling
Carnera
V Klit
W Klit
Joshua
Patterson
Johansson
Ellis
Leon Spinks
Tate
Tubbs
Berbick
Smith
Ruiz
Daniani
Bentt
Hide
Bruno
Akinwande
Rahman
Jones
Brewster
Valuev
Maskaev
Briggs
Chagaev
Ibragimov
Haye
Stiverne
Martin
Browne
Parker
Charr
Andy Ruiz
Bryan
Dubios

I guess that list was not shorter, but with a bunch of scrub champions added in there too. Since he beats all the scrub champions, he was not a scrub champion himself. Bottom end of non-scrub champions is where he would be placed by me.

Pick a name off your list for me. Where's the 'bottom of the non-scrub' list for you?

See if we match.

[The D3vil]

Christ, you are full of bullshit with such offhand statements as "He would have beat(en) Holyfield and Moorer." As if you know. And you're a fucking better joke by including Foreman. Spinks is a great fighter for what he did to light heavies not shot heavyweights.

Dude, Holmes wasn't shot.

He continued to fight for 15 years after fighting Spinks, and beat Mercer 7 years later, and put up a hell of a fight against Holyfield 8 years later.

Why didn't you say it was those other fighters at their worst and Spinks at his best? Hell, I bet he beats the version of Tyson that lost to Lewis as well. That doesn't mean anything. At their best I see them all beating him, with the possible exception of Moorer.

No offense or disrespect to Spinks who is probably the best LH ever.

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Dude, Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore say hello.

[them_apples]

Dude, Holmes wasn't shot.

He continued to fight for 15 years after fighting Spinks, and beat Mercer 7 years later, and put up a hell of a fight against Holyfield 8 years later.



Dude, Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore say hello.

Yeah the fact that Spinks out boxed Holmes twice when Holmes had never lost is a great victory. Holmes was past prime but not even close to shot.

the only argument is the fights were rather close. Spinks really just edged them and one of them at least coulda gone to Holmes.

[kara]

And just different level fighters to the likes of Jirov who is an average fighter at best.

People are now talking about Opetaia being a heavyweight force. Too small, gets whacked out.

[IronDanHamza]

People are now talking about Opetaia being a heavyweight force. Too small, gets whacked out.

I mean maybe, maybe not. Who knows until he does it? I thought the same with Usyk.

Opetaia is a different level to Jirov as well.

Cruiserweights (and some light heavys) have shown the capability of moving up and doing well at Heavyweight.

Jirov never had a chance because he's average. He did nothing of any real note at Cruiserweight so his chances at HW were always nil.

[Slugfester]

Dude, Holmes wasn't shot.

He continued to fight for 15 years after fighting Spinks, and beat Mercer 7 years later, and put up a hell of a fight against Holyfield 8 years later.



Dude, Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore say hello.

First of all Holmes was 12 1/2 years into his career. Anyone who saw him fight Spinks should realize he was way down from his peak--dead jab, slow and lumbering, no snap at all. Maybe that was just for Spinks, but then why would he be only a scruple better for such an important rematch? To reclaim his title he would have been the best he could be at the time. It wasn't very good, was it?

Oh, you are rolling your eyes? Who is going to forget you just called Jirov a great cruiserweight? I imagine just about every eye rolled with that scholarly appraisal.

Yeah, I said Spinks may very well be the best light heavy ever. So what? A lot of people feel the same.

[Ivich]

Dude, Holmes wasn't shot.

He continued to fight for 15 years after fighting Spinks, and beat Mercer 7 years later, and put up a hell of a fight against Holyfield 8 years later.



Dude, Ezzard Charles & Archie Moore say hello.

Holmes retired for 3 years after the 2nd Spinks fight . Retired for another 3 years after the Tyson fight and retired for another 1and a 1/2years.you're wording it as if he was fighting continuously for 15 years, disingenuous to say the least!

[The D3vil]

First of all Holmes was 12 1/2 years into his career. Anyone who saw him fight Spinks should realize he was way down from his peak--dead jab, slow and lumbering, no snap at all. Maybe that was just for Spinks, but then why would he be only a scruple better for such an important rematch? To reclaim his title he would have been the best he could be at the time. It wasn't very good, was it?

Oh, you are rolling your eyes? Who is going to forget you just called Jirov a great cruiserweight? I imagine just about every eye rolled with that scholarly appraisal.

Yeah, I said Spinks may very well be the best light heavy ever. So what? A lot of people feel the same.

I definitely did not say Jirov was a "great cruiserweight".

I only think of Holyfield & Usyk as great cruiserweights.

Everybody else are just blown up light-heavys or deflated heavyweights

[Slugfester]

Moorer showed what happens when a great cruiserweight, like Jirov, moves up. And that was a shot Moorer. He would have unloaded on Spinks.

Y'all musta forgot, because you certainly did call him a great cruiser weight, lad.