Dempsey Wills lawsuit

[Ivich]

That's why it's called the history section, dumbass.

You couldn't make it up! lol

[Dr. Z]

You couldn't make it up! lol

The point of the article is that money was there to be made and Dempsey flat out ducked Wills is #1 contender. He also ducked Greb. And did not fight Dillion or Clark either. As such we are left with him fighting a dying man, beating on an in-active and old Willard ( loaded gloves ?? ) An edited film of him that does not show him being knocked down or out of the ring for its entirety vs Fripo, fouling his way to victory and KO'ing an unguarded man ( Sharkey ) who was complaining to the ref while Dempsey was being beaten and down and benind on points and more. Oh yeah Fulton says he took a dive. That all happened.

But I mean he did fight Fireman Flynn, Wille Meehan, and John Lester Johnson, those " powerhouses " and got KO'd in 1 round, shown to lack the skills to hit a moving target in Meehan ,and beat on by Lester Johnson. Don't we all wish these matches were on film for us to view.

Losing 18 or 19 rounds vs Tunney and getting knocked down when Jack was 31 / 32 in a 10 round match happened. IMO had the match been 15 rounds it is highly likely he is KO'd as he needed help to find Tunney after the fight ended.

Science fiction fans tend to like Dempsey.

Shortly before Dempsey won the World Heavyweight Championship in 1919, The Cedar Rapids Evening Gazette quoted him as saying the following about his fight with John Lester Johnson: "In the second round, Johnson pulled something on me I had never seen before. He just lifted my right arm up high and then soaked me in the ribs. He broke three of 'em for me. He hit me on the chin in that round, too, and I saw many a star. He knew too much for me. ... I thought he licked me. I didn't know how to fight then, and Johnson did. Yes, I think he won and he taught me more that night than I have ever dreamed of before."

[travestyny]

The point of the article is that money was there to be made and Dempsey flat out ducked Wills is #1 contender. He also ducked Greb. And did not fight Dillion or Clark either. As such we are left with him fighting a dying man, beating on an in-active and old Willard ( loaded gloves ?? ) An edited film of him that does not show him being knocked down or out of the ring for its entirety vs Fripo, fouling his way to victory and KO'ing an unguarded man ( Sharkey ) who was complaining to the ref while Dempsey was being beaten and down and benind on points and more. Oh yeah Fulton says he took a dive. That all happened.

But I mean he did fight Fireman Flynn, Wille Meehan, and John Lester Johnson, those " powerhouses " and got KO'd in 1 round, shown to lack the skills to hit a moving target in Meehan ,and beat on by Lester Johnson. Don't we all wish these matches were on film for us to view.

Losing 18 or 19 rounds vs Tunney and getting knocked down when Jack was 31 / 32 in a 10 round match happened. IMO had the match been 15 rounds it is highly likely he is KO'd as he needed help to find Tunney after the fight ended.

Science fiction fans tend to like Dempsey.

Greb is questionable. Dillion and Clark?????

You make up the weirdest shlt. Dempsey's duck list can just be left at Wills. No need to add extras.

[QueensburyRules]

That's why it's called the history section, dumbass.

- - Then Y U hysterically post Herstory…sissy???

[Willie Pep 229]

The point of the article is that money was there to be made and Dempsey flat out ducked Wills is #1 contender. He also ducked Greb. And did not fight Dillion or Clark either. As such we are left with him fighting a dying man, beating on an in-active and old Willard ( loaded gloves ?? ) An edited film of him that does not show him being knocked down or out of the ring for its entirety vs Fripo, fouling his way to victory and KO'ing an unguarded man ( Sharkey ) who was complaining to the ref while Dempsey was being beaten and down and benind on points and more. Oh yeah Fulton says he took a dive. That all happened.

But I mean he did fight Fireman Flynn, Wille Meehan, and John Lester Johnson, those " powerhouses " and got KO'd in 1 round, shown to lack the skills to hit a moving target in Meehan ,and beat on by Lester Johnson. Don't we all wish these matches were on film for us to view.

Losing 18 or 19 rounds vs Tunney and getting knocked down when Jack was 31 / 32 in a 10 round match happened. IMO had the match been 15 rounds it is highly likely he is KO'd as he needed help to find Tunney after the fight ended.

Science fiction fans tend to like Dempsey.

Dempsey sparred with Mehan regularly and carried his buddy Billy Miske, all while in the middle of a Tyson like run of multiple first and second round knockouts.

Wills was the most popular choice (in New York) for a title shot in 1922 but there were no rankings. Gibbons was the second most popular choice nation wide and Dempsey fought the (white) Gibbons out west.

The first Ring rankings (with Wills as #1) don't appear until 1924, after Dempsey stops fighting.

The 1926 fiasco with Wills-Dempsey is well documented and complicated. Draw your own conclusion.

Dempsey's KD against Tunney (II) in the eight round, is a one-knee flash KD that doesn't phase a desperate Dempsey who is driving straight at Tunney hoping to capitalize on the previous 7th round KD.

That Tunney punch was Tunney telling Dempsey, "I'm back. My head is clear."

You are disingenuous in leaving the reader to believe Dempsey suffered a relevant KD.

You are again cherry picking facts and leaving the reader to miss extrapolate.

Dempsey in 1926 was dominated in the first Tunney go, but despite the silly 10-9 round scoring you guys are obsessed with, the second Dempsey-Tunney was a close, competitive fight.

[Dr. Z]

Dempsey sparred with Mehan regularly and carried his buddy Billy Miske, all while in the middle of a Tyson like run of multiple first and second round knockouts.

Wills was the most popular choice (in New York) for a title shot in 1922 but there were no rankings. Gibbons was the second most popular choice nation wide and Dempsey fought the (white) Gibbons out west.

The first Ring rankings (with Wills as #1) don't appear until 1924, after Dempsey stops fighting.

The 1926 fiasco with Wills-Dempsey is well documented and complicated. Draw your own conclusion.

Dempsey's KD against Tunney (II) in the eight round, is a one-knee flash KD that doesn't phase a desperate Dempsey who is driving straight at Tunney hoping to capitalize on the previous 7th round KD.

That Tunney punch was Tunney telling Dempsey, "I'm back. My head is clear."

You are disingenuous in leaving the reader to believe Dempsey suffered a relevant KD.

You are again cherry picking facts and leaving the reader to miss extrapolate.

Dempsey in 1926 was dominated in the first Tunney go, but despite the silly 10-9 round scoring you guys are obsessed with, the second Dempsey-Tunney was a close, competitive fight.

No cherry picking. Wills was seen as the #1 contender for years. Before 1924.

Dempsey was down and almost out and the end of ten rounds. He could not see Tunney to shake is had after the 10 round match had ended. If the match was 15 rounds he is likely TKO'd.

Dempsey it is written lost oh 18 or 20 round vs Tunney. Which round did Dempsey win the is viewable today besides the 7th in the re-match? I want to know this, and no Demspey was in fact down

Tunney won by a 10-round unanimous decision. The seventh round was the only round he lost

In the first meeting:

Tunney dominated the fight and won by a 10-round unanimous decision.

Here is the write up on the first fight: Note Dempsey was groggy at the end of 10 and ready to go here too.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...g=4321,2425341

[Willie Pep 229]

No cherry picking. Wills was seen as the #1 contender for years. Before 1924.

Dempsey was down and almost out and the end of ten rounds. He could not see Tunney to shake is had after the 10 round match had ended. If the match was 15 rounds he is likely TKO'd.

Dempsey it is written lost oh 18 or 20 round vs Tunney. Which round did Dempsey win the is viewable today besides the 7th in the re-match? I want to know this, and no Demspey was in fact down



In the first meeting:



Here is the write up on the first fight: Note Dempsey was groggy at the end of 10 and ready to go here too.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...g=4321,2425341

Yea but you speak only of the 1926 fight here.

Above you try to imply that the same domination occurred in 1927.

Dempsey himself said that in the 1926 fight he fought only to survive the last two rounds. Indirectly stating that he believes he would likely have succumb had it been 15 rounds.

But a year later in Chicago, Tunney refused to join Dempsey's petition to the Illinois Board to extend the Soldier Field fight to 15 rounds.

Tunney didn't want a better trained, ready, Dempsey for 15 rounds.

Tunney didn't want to go the way of Brennan, leading on the cards and stopped late.

Tunney was content to box Dempsey for ten rounds and avoid the championship rounds.

They were there for the asking but Tunney begged off.

[Dr. Z]

Yea but you speak only of the 1926 fight here.

Above you try to imply that the same domination occurred in 1927.

Dempsey himself said that in the 1926 fight he fought only to survive the last two rounds. Indirectly stating that he believes he would likely have succumb had it been 15 rounds.

But a year later in Chicago, Tunney refused to join Dempsey's petition to the Illinois Board to extend the Soldier Field fight to 15 rounds.

Tunney didn't want a better trained, ready, Dempsey for 15 rounds.

Tunney didn't want to go the way of Brennan, leading on the cards and stopped late.

Tunney was content to box Dempsey for ten rounds and avoid the championship rounds.

They were there for the asking but Tunney begged off.

You said I was cherry picking. I was not. On the score cards, neither fight was close. I offered you a chance to explain your position, you did not. I fooled you to show me which round Dempsey won out of 20. I said 2. Again static from you. Tunney offer a third match, Dempsey wisely refused

Had either match been 15 rounds, Jack was getting stopped. Read the papers! I provided a good round by round write up of the action.

Dempsey was 31 / 32 years old, and in shape. It was not close. If you looked at Dempsey's film when he was losing vs. Sharkey ( who had a glass jaw, Tunney did not ) or Dempsey's come for being late KO over Brennan ( his only stoppage past 10 rounds ) , lol Tunney would have taken on Dempsey earlier if offered.

Unlike Dempsey was willing to fight Wills. Wills declined.

[travestyny]

Dempsey sparred with Mehan regularly and carried his buddy Billy Miske, all while in the middle of a Tyson like run of multiple first and second round knockouts.

Wills was the most popular choice (in New York) for a title shot in 1922 but there were no rankings. Gibbons was the second most popular choice nation wide and Dempsey fought the (white) Gibbons out west.

The first Ring rankings (with Wills as #1) don't appear until 1924, after Dempsey stops fighting.

The 1926 fiasco with Wills-Dempsey is well documented and complicated. Draw your own conclusion.

Dempsey's KD against Tunney (II) in the eight round, is a one-knee flash KD that doesn't phase a desperate Dempsey who is driving straight at Tunney hoping to capitalize on the previous 7th round KD.

That Tunney punch was Tunney telling Dempsey, "I'm back. My head is clear."

You are disingenuous in leaving the reader to believe Dempsey suffered a relevant KD.

You are again cherry picking facts and leaving the reader to miss extrapolate.

Dempsey in 1926 was dominated in the first Tunney go, but despite the silly 10-9 round scoring you guys are obsessed with, the second Dempsey-Tunney was a close, competitive fight.

Trying out a new line of defense, I see. The ring didn't rank until '24, so nothing counts until then, huh?

[travestyny]

You said I was cherry picking. I was not. On the score cards, neither fight was close. I offered you a chance to explain your position, you did not. I fooled you to show me which round Dempsey won out of 20. I said 2. Again static from you. Tunney offer a third match, Dempsey wisely refused

Had either match been 15 rounds, Jack was getting stopped. Read the papers! I provided a good round by round write up of the action.

Dempsey was 31 / 32 years old, and in shape. It was not close. If you looked at Dempsey's film when he was losing vs. Sharkey ( who had a glass jaw, Tunney did not ) or Dempsey's come for being late KO over Brennan ( his only stoppage past 10 rounds ) , lol Tunney would have taken on Dempsey earlier if offered.

Unlike Dempsey was willing to fight Wills. Wills declined.

Have you ever seen a statement from Wills or Wills' team declining the Tunney fight? I haven't. I have seen a promoter, I believe it was, who claimed Wills offered Tunney a match that Tunney declined.