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  • billeau2
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    #31
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

    - - Blithering while U drool again, eh?

    I know what the Saudis do and furthermore know what American do to Nations they have bombed starting just before the 3rd millennium.

    I also know what Americans do to each other as well as their own children.

    By default, the above/\ is what U do is that is you are saying. America lost the moral arguement decades ago.
    Do you know how the Saudis treat other Arab Nations? I mean no they may nor bomb them but to let abject poverty and lack of food resources destroy your brothers... and women are treated like second class citizens? Even Egypt, perhaps the most corrupt (ground level) country in the Middle East had women's suffrage established... before this country (USA).

    America does not have to have a moral argument... America is becoming more like these other places anyway... the argument is, in this country, America, I can still go to places where I can arm myself, expect my neighbors to do the same, and carry on my existence with little government oversite. That speaks volumes. The opportunities we have here are dwindling, and part of the reason is because of the fallicy that "for me to be and justify my existence, I have to be more good than you are." Ever hear of moral relativism? Certainly one can say that the North Korean peasant and their ways are really no more inherently ethical that the privaleged existence we have... BUT do you see the danger here? All these arguments come down to taking freedom away and putting wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer...

    Do you want your kids to live in such a world? I don't... and I mean I don't want your kids, my kids, anyone having to exist to serve... That is what the world is becoming and when you give credability to governments that are so bifurcated, and willing to kill people who are starving because they stole, and to treat women like chattel... you become part of the very problem itself.

    America is unique because of its people, not its government. We have gone to ****** wars, and we have stopped them as welll, using our freedoms to protect the rights of Vietnamese peasants and Hippies, the real warriors at times, who took on the military industrial complex and WON! Where is the false moral equivalency there Queen B, seriously... all kidding aside, where is the moral equivalency inherent in a person using their privaleges to lead a fight against evil? The ***ish kids who went down South to fight against the ignorance we still see in places like Fergusan MO.... What about the Hippies that created social structures that were egalitarian, until pieces of shiat, recruited by this government, like Charley Manson were put in place to destroy these structures?

    Yes, our government is as evil as any other, I agree, but when the citizens act to make the government accountable to real values, when we lose that power, because people like yourself say thngs like "Well China is not so bad, and the Saudis do not carpet bomb, so they are ok, etc... then we are truly doomed.
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      #32
      Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

      OLk, then you can come but have to stay in Manhattan.
      East Harlem born and bred!

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      • Dr. Z
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        #33
        Originally posted by Willie Pep 229
        I believe all Saudi (internationally televised) sporting events will start prime time, EST in America. **

        Until a bigger market ($ wise) than 'east of the Mississippi America,' appears they will adjust all start times to please us.

        Everyone goes where the money is.

        P.S. That us is us, the U.S.A. - not you monarchists across the pond. "Up the rebels."

        ** Golf is a problem. Can't play golf under the lights or indoors.Then again maybe the Saudi will build an indoor golf course. Why not?
        Playing golf in the desert heat is well...very hot. You may be on to something. The Saudi's might hire cheap labor form India and Pakistan to build the world's first a par 3 indoor golf course. This way the can play " the Saudi open " with anyone else dying ( like the construction workers do ). Human rights do not apply for the Saudi's. The select few men have lots of oil money. The are running some sports yet have no atheletes in it.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #34
          Originally posted by billeau2

          Do you know how the Saudis treat other Arab Nations? I mean no they may nor bomb them but to let abject poverty and lack of food resources destroy your brothers... and women are treated like second class citizens? Even Egypt, perhaps the most corrupt (ground level) country in the Middle East had women's suffrage established... before this country (USA).

          America does not have to have a moral argument... America is becoming more like these other places anyway... the argument is, in this country, America, I can still go to places where I can arm myself, expect my neighbors to do the same, and carry on my existence with little government oversite. That speaks volumes. The opportunities we have here are dwindling, and part of the reason is because of the fallicy that "for me to be and justify my existence, I have to be more good than you are." Ever hear of moral relativism? Certainly one can say that the North Korean peasant and their ways are really no more inherently ethical that the privaleged existence we have... BUT do you see the danger here? All these arguments come down to taking freedom away and putting wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer...

          Do you want your kids to live in such a world? I don't... and I mean I don't want your kids, my kids, anyone having to exist to serve... That is what the world is becoming and when you give credability to governments that are so bifurcated, and willing to kill people who are starving because they stole, and to treat women like chattel... you become part of the very problem itself.

          America is unique because of its people, not its government. We have gone to ****** wars, and we have stopped them as welll, using our freedoms to protect the rights of Vietnamese peasants and Hippies, the real warriors at times, who took on the military industrial complex and WON! Where is the false moral equivalency there Queen B, seriously... all kidding aside, where is the moral equivalency inherent in a person using their privaleges to lead a fight against evil? The ***ish kids who went down South to fight against the ignorance we still see in places like Fergusan MO.... What about the Hippies that created social structures that were egalitarian, until pieces of shiat, recruited by this government, like Charley Manson were put in place to destroy these structures?

          Yes, our government is as evil as any other, I agree, but when the citizens act to make the government accountable to real values, when we lose that power, because people like yourself say thngs like "Well China is not so bad, and the Saudis do not carpet bomb, so they are ok, etc... then we are truly doomed.
          - - Spare me your Ginsberg/Kerouac Bum morality.

          Americans have done more cultural, environmental, and/or massive killing spree wars damage in the 3rd millennium that anyone else, period. It's especially evident in my hometown and surrounding community being stripmined in the latest spike of Big Bank Real estate fraud with the whole of the world spiraling into another pit of devolution.

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            #35
            Originally posted by QueensburyRules

            - - Spare me your Ginsberg/Kerouac Bum morality.

            Americans have done more cultural, environmental, and/or massive killing spree wars damage in the 3rd millennium that anyone else, period. It's especially evident in my hometown and surrounding community being stripmined in the latest spike of Big Bank Real estate fraud with the whole of the world spiraling into another pit of devolution.
            No... You lack the intellect to actually compare, thats your problem.

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              #36
              Originally posted by billeau2

              Do you know how the Saudis treat other Arab Nations? I mean no they may nor bomb them but to let abject poverty and lack of food resources destroy your brothers... and women are treated like second class citizens? Even Egypt, perhaps the most corrupt (ground level) country in the Middle East had women's suffrage established... before this country (USA).

              America does not have to have a moral argument... America is becoming more like these other places anyway... the argument is, in this country, America, I can still go to places where I can arm myself, expect my neighbors to do the same, and carry on my existence with little government oversite. That speaks volumes. The opportunities we have here are dwindling, and part of the reason is because of the fallicy that "for me to be and justify my existence, I have to be more good than you are." Ever hear of moral relativism? Certainly one can say that the North Korean peasant and their ways are really no more inherently ethical that the privaleged existence we have... BUT do you see the danger here? All these arguments come down to taking freedom away and putting wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer...

              Do you want your kids to live in such a world? I don't... and I mean I don't want your kids, my kids, anyone having to exist to serve... That is what the world is becoming and when you give credability to governments that are so bifurcated, and willing to kill people who are starving because they stole, and to treat women like chattel... you become part of the very problem itself.

              America is unique because of its people, not its government. We have gone to ****** wars, and we have stopped them as welll, using our freedoms to protect the rights of Vietnamese peasants and Hippies, the real warriors at times, who took on the military industrial complex and WON! Where is the false moral equivalency there Queen B, seriously... all kidding aside, where is the moral equivalency inherent in a person using their privaleges to lead a fight against evil? The ***ish kids who went down South to fight against the ignorance we still see in places like Fergusan MO.... What about the Hippies that created social structures that were egalitarian, until pieces of shiat, recruited by this government, like Charley Manson were put in place to destroy these structures?

              Yes, our government is as evil as any other, I agree, but when the citizens act to make the government accountable to real values, when we lose that power, because people like yourself say thngs like "Well China is not so bad, and the Saudis do not carpet bomb, so they are ok, etc... then we are truly doomed.
              100 points for owning all of America while also being a patriot about it.

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                #37
                Originally posted by billeau2

                No... You lack the intellect to actually compare, thats your problem.
                i would say this to american's especially those who run the country down. you don't know how lucky you are.
                america is full of the kindest people on earth and give the most to charity in the world. look at how much it has given in film, comedy, charity, literature, medicine, com*****g etc.
                i have often found that people who have left the usa and travelled to various countries come back saying how much better it is to live there.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by nathan sturley

                  i would say this to american's especially those who run the country down. you don't know how lucky you are.
                  america is full of the kindest people on earth and give the most to charity in the world. look at how much it has given in film, comedy, charity, literature, medicine, com*****g etc.
                  i have often found that people who have left the usa and travelled to various countries come back saying how much better it is to live there.
                  We live in a world where being born in a decent place is destiny. That is a fact of life. It is irksome when someone will say "China is great" but would never live there. For a good reason lol. China once was a great society. It is Communist and corrupt now. And the Middle East is how the word is going: The super rich and the super poor.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by nathan sturley

                    i would say this to american's especially those who run the country down. you don't know how lucky you are.
                    america is full of the kindest people on earth and give the most to charity in the world. look at how much it has given in film, comedy, charity, literature, medicine, com*****g etc.
                    i have often found that people who have left the usa and travelled to various countries come back saying how much better it is to live there.
                    - - Disney made a fortune on **** that may have become for over a decade the #1 industry across the world. My how the mighty have fallen after cheap Asian Viagra knockoffs combined with the endless supply of young girls in 3rd world countries having no civil rights. Endless stock dives and movie flops.

                    When my boys were young, I refused to take them to an American Disney movie because it was like endless cotton candy for the brain, utterly useless. Same thing with Barney.

                    Mr Rogers and Sesame street stimulated kid intellect in a positive way. When they were older, Emperor of the North with Lee Marvin and Earnest Borgnine educated them in hand to hand violence, and Home Alone stimulated their kid intellect over bad adults.

                    Nobody more patriotic than me, and part of that patriotism is calling a spade a spade. I don't demonstrate with antifa rioters, I vote my Citizen's Rights and I speak out minor public forums as they crop up.

                    I don't crowd source for Ukraine, now $80 Bil richer than the start of their war thanks to the US, the 3rd biggest military budget in the world, but those sappy doogooders do. Sorta like they rescue pit bulls to be turned loose mauling children and other defenseless beings.

                    George Foreman never fought a title fight in America his first go round because the US had fallen into such economic dereliction because of Civil Rights disturbances, Prez assassinations and attempts, and the fall of Vietnam. MSG couldn't raise the funds in the thug run NY City, but Zaire, Jamaica, Venezuela, and Japan could and purses were tax free, ie the Saudis all wrapped up in one unit.

                    Great. Billy claims to be morally superior to the Saudis for having $$$ because he buys their gas, all while ignoring the dangerous Global dissipation that almost certainly will end up in a tragedy greater than the current Russian/Ukraine debacle that the UN and Western Diplomats have washed their dirty hands from.

                    Meanwhile Israel is battling Iranian equipped and trained ***** guerrillas as the world stews in a Global Recession that is really a Depression to those currently reeling with no end in sight.

                    Who to thank? Why Billy, of course...Thanks Billy...

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                    • Willie Pep 229
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                      #40
                      Nice to say nice things about liberty but this nation, today, is ***********al. Too much poverty for such a wealthy nation.

                      We excell at the top, but our bottom is in economic and social free fall.

                      A tribe this powerful should be able to provide for its weak better; should not have so much crime.

                      The 20th Century measured its success by 'consumerism.' We still are, seeing 'buying things' as the end goal of success. We vew the acquisition of great wealth without production as success.

                      We are "George Babbitt."

                      This love of consumption has made us dependent on foreign production and a nation in debt: national; corporate; personal.

                      We function on the promise of money, that is only made good, by more promises of more money.

                      To use a British idiom, this is an economy now totally run 'on tick.'

                      We can not maintain this indulged behavior without futhering the divide between top and bottom. Eventually those societies collapse.

                      We ain't getting out of this so easy. It's about to get rough.


                      Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 10-09-2023, 02:33 PM.

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