The reason Joe Louis should be studied above all fighters

[QueensburyRules]

I had no idea you **********d in micro movements. You sound like a worried man. If you dig a cellar deep enough, they may not be able to pick up your minuscule strokes.

- - U starting to get hysteric like Hammy and Vitch, so maybe a threesome in some Notell Motel, eh?

[them_apples]

This double thing Slugfester is talking about I can understand - but will real AI be able to do more than something similar to that? Surely AI won't be able to predict, what will happen in a 15 (for example) sec period, if such a segment is missing from a film - or will it?? Even with all of Louis' fight films, it seems unlikely (to me, anyway) that pattern searching will make AI able to "restore" more than a second or two (at most!) of damaged/missing footage.

Someone please educate me if I'm wrong about this!

It totally will and is already. Current upscaling is drawing from a huge source of data not just one film. This is how it can predict movements. Just like the human mind can actually predict movements because if the immense amount of data the human brain can cross reference. Its sort of like how we can tell the nationality of a fighter and his skin tone even though fuzzy black and white footage barely gives us enough information. We are drawing from related data fields. Take this concept and multiply it by millions and that would explain why we can fathom an ai predicting the movements of old film. It not only would compute every Louis fight on the internet or its database, but also 1000s of other films from the same era, films from newer and older eras, boxing gloves, trunks etc an obscene amount of data.

how do I know this? Because in my industry we use AI already and it’s doing something similar. Now lets take into account AI is in its literal infancy.

For example, by knowing someones shopping habits, AI can already predict if a woman is pregnant. The same concept can be applied to film restoration.

[Slugfester]

- - U starting to get hysteric like Hammy and Vitch, so maybe a threesome in some Notell Motel, eh?

Just myself, Z and Ivitch on a relaxing Caribbean cruise, is a goal that may never transpire, alas!

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah I meant the old films are being upscaled in AI allowing us to see more and more. Previously the footage and frame-rate was so bad people thought he fought like the gingerbread man

Who's doing this? Where?

[Bundana]

It totally will and is already. Current upscaling is drawing from a huge source of data not just one film. This is how it can predict movements. Just like the human mind can actually predict movements because if the immense amount of data the human brain can cross reference. Its sort of like how we can tell the nationality of a fighter and his skin tone even though fuzzy black and white footage barely gives us enough information. We are drawing from related data fields. Take this concept and multiply it by millions and that would explain why we can fathom an ai predicting the movements of old film. It not only would compute every Louis fight on the internet or its database, but also 1000s of other films from the same era, films from newer and older eras, boxing gloves, trunks etc an obscene amount of data.

how do I know this? Because in my industry we use AI already and itâs doing something similar. Now lets take into account AI is in its literal infancy.

For example, by knowing someones shopping habits, AI can already predict if a woman is pregnant. The same concept can be applied to film restoration.

Are you saying, that one day AI will be able to restore missing/damaged fight footage of more than a second or two - and if so, over how long a period do you think, it will be able to predict the movements of the fighters? 5 sec, 10 sec... or even more?

[Willie Pep 229]

Are you saying, that one day AI will be able to restore missing/damaged fight footage of more than a second or two - and if so, over how long a period do you think, it will be able to predict the movements of the fighters? 5 sec, 10 sec... or even more?

I think in the near future it (AI, if you like) will be able to fill the gaps that a 24 fps prsentation misses in feeding our susposed 35 fps brain.

It will probably be able to take 18 fps silent films and make them move as smooth as reality seems to move (whatever that might be).

Something that will feel perfect to our eye/brain.

Something like that is coming pretty soon.

But filling in untold seconds of unkown/not shown events, is different.

That is prediction, something that falls into that whole quantum/probability thing that hurts my head.

Ask Bill about it.

[Bundana]

I think in the near future it (AI, if you like) will be able to fill the gaps that a 24 fps prsentation misses in feeding our susposed 35 fps brain.

It will probably be able to take 18 fps silent films and make them move as smooth as reality seems to move (whatever that might be).

Something that will feel perfect to our eye/brain.

Something like that is coming pretty soon.

But filling in untold seconds of unkown/not shown events, is different.

That is prediction, something that falls into that whole quantum/probability thing that hurts my head.

Ask Bill about it.

That's pretty much how I see it - without really knowing much about AI, I have to admit! Restoring a very short time period, yes I'll buy that - but beyond a second or two (at most!) does not sound realistic.

[Bundana]

Ok, at the risk of sounding completely ****** (due to my lack of AI knowledge), there's something I need to ask you guys, in relation to this discussion:

When people are talking about future AI being able to predict Louis' movements, based on it having seen all the footage there is of The Brown Bomber - what exactly does this mean?

Surely an AI machine can't actually "see" anything, right? I mean, you can't sit it down and make it "watch" a fight, thus forming its own opinion on what's going on, can you? Would a future AI machine be able to enjoy Louis' fluent combinations of short, powerfull punches? Would it ever be able to sit back and think: oh my God, this willie Pep footwork is out of this world? I would doubt that very much!

[them_apples]

Ok, at the risk of sounding completely ****** (due to my lack of AI knowledge), there's something I need to ask you guys, in relation to this discussion:

When people are talking about future AI being able to predict Louis' movements, based on it having seen all the footage there is of The Brown Bomber - what exactly does this mean?

Surely an AI machine can't actually "see" anything, right? I mean, you can't sit it down and make it "watch" a fight, thus forming its own opinion on what's going on, can you? Would a future AI machine be able to enjoy Louis' fluent combinations of short, powerfull punches? Would it ever be able to sit back and think: oh my God, this willie Pep footwork is out of this world? I would doubt that very much!

It couldn’t experience it in a consciousness like we do. It could however, break it down to its absolutely smallest chunks of data and view schematics and patterns that we humans could only dream of.

the more information the more it can understand and cross reference. Movements have already been predicted to some degree. Look at smooth legends on youtube, his upscale of Dempsey vs Tunney 2.

[them_apples]

Are you saying, that one day AI will be able to restore missing/damaged fight footage of more than a second or two - and if so, over how long a period do you think, it will be able to predict the movements of the fighters? 5 sec, 10 sec... or even more?

Correct. By having every single fight film in a database from 1900-2023, every volume of knowledge published on the internet, data on the human body and how it move, etc volumes and volumes of data will allow for comparisons and predictive understanding that we simply can’t fathom. Our phones are already predicting a scary amount of things just based on viewing habits, eye movements, body temperature, sounds and timing etc