Carlos Monzon. How great was he? Feel free to post a fight.

[kara]

Memories of Hagler-Leonard, 30 Years Later

April 4, 2017
By Bernard Fernandez

That's a good article, Pep.

[Ivich]

That's a good article, Pep.

Fernandez is a good writer.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n32022945]

- - Leonard spent a year in private training before the Marv fight that included unofficial fights against a plethora of fighters sworn to secrecy lest they lose their post fight guarantees.

Show some courtesy towards those who know as opposed to you kowtowing to legends that you know not...

Had never faced a middleweight in an official fight ,had never officially fought for 3 years and was 31 years old!

Now **** off you cretinous stooge you add nothing to this forum but trolling sewage.

[Ivich]

Listen you dumb man, you are still spewing forth false hoods and I am tired of correcting you.

Duran fought one ranked middleweight? Hagler says B()ll &#it

Leonard beat men above 160!

You forgot to list Hearns. All three men were better than Monzon beat

I show Billeau plenty of respect. You however are known to close out threads by the moderator. Several of them. That is the danger of this thread.

If you think Vito won the fight, you are even ******er than I thought. Post your card or the fight and list your round by round scoring. That if you want to be viewed as credible.

I never said Antuofermo won the fight I posted differing opinions on it to show it was very close and therefore no robbery .
You persist in answering questions I havent asked!
HERE IS MY POST

Now many middleweights did Leonard beat? ONE
How many of any quality did Mugabi beat? NONE
How many ranked middleweights did Antuofermo beat ? ONE
How many ranked middleweights did Duran beat? ONE

ALL TRUE AND CORRECT!

[Dr. Z]

I never said Antuofermo won the fight I posted differing opinions on it to show it was very close and therefore no robbery .
You persist in answering questions I havent asked!
HERE IS MY POST

Now many middleweights did Leonard beat? ONE
How many of any quality did Mugabi beat? NONE
How many ranked middleweights did Antuofermo beat ? ONE
How many ranked middleweights did Duran beat? ONE

ALL TRUE AND CORRECT!

I'm not asking you for the official score cards, I am asking you to score the Antuofermo vs. Hagler I fight round by round. Who won it? Do you even watch boxing?

No is was not that close.

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=Willie Pep 229;n32023147]

OK so this guy and article is the source Wikipedia references regarding the 'secret fights' but this source offers no proof for its claim, just a statement of 'fact.'

For now, it has to be considered merely a factoid that the secret fights occurred. Someone needs to step up and say it is so.

What is most damning is that he does cite his other quotes and statements, but not this one.

Is this guy respected? Is he considered to be in-the-know?


Memories of Hagler-Leonard, 30 Years Later

April 4, 2017
By Bernard Fernandez

- - Scully invited Ray on AOL where he explained his year long private training.

Took a lotta stick for it, and so disappeared…

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n32025171]

- - Scully invited Ray on AOL where he explained his year long private training.

Took a lotta stick for it, and so disappeared…

Name two of these middleweights that Leonard had fights behind closed doors with?

[Ivich]

I'm not asking you for the official score cards, I am asking you to score the Antuofermo vs. Hagler I fight round by round. Who won it? Do you even watch boxing?

No is was not that close.

Some voted for Hagler,some for Antuofermo. It was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
My scoring of the fight would be irrelevant.
I was ringside at Wembley for Antuofermo's next fight when Minter boxed his ears off!
I was also ringside when Hagler stopped Minter.

I would take a bet I have been at more live fights than you.
The first fight I saw live, in the flesh was Cooper v MIldenberger.the last was Fury v Whyte.
The most recent was Alvarez v Charlo this morning!
I began watching boxing on the Saturday Afternoon fights from the USA, in the 60's which featured guys like;
Giardello
Hank
Fernandez
Griffith
Rodriguez
Lausse
Nesmith
Calhoun
Carter
etc You have nothing to teach me sunshine!

[Dr. Z]

Some voted for Hagler,some for Antuofermo. It was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
My scoring of the fight would be irrelevant.
I was ringside at Wembley for Antuofermo's next fight when Minter boxed his ears off!
I was also ringside when Hagler stopped Minter.

I would take a bet I have been at more live fights than you.
The first fight I saw live, in the flesh was Cooper v MIldenberger.the last was Fury v Whyte.
The most recent was Alvarez v Charlo this morning!
I began watching boxing on the Saturday Afternoon fights from the USA, in the 60's which featured guys like;
Giardello
Hank
Fernandez
Griffith
Rodriguez
Lausse
Nesmith
Calhoun
Carter
etc You have nothing to teach me sunshine!

You are an old man. I have seen about 100 live fights.

[billeau2]

Some voted for Hagler,some for Antuofermo. It was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
My scoring of the fight would be irrelevant.
I was ringside at Wembley for Antuofermo's next fight when Minter boxed his ears off!
I was also ringside when Hagler stopped Minter.

I would take a bet I have been at more live fights than you.
The first fight I saw live, in the flesh was Cooper v MIldenberger.the last was Fury v Whyte.
The most recent was Alvarez v Charlo this morning!
I began watching boxing on the Saturday Afternoon fights from the USA, in the 60's which featured guys like;
Giardello
Hank
Fernandez
Griffith
Rodriguez
Lausse
Nesmith
Calhoun
Carter
etc You have nothing to teach me sunshine!

Here are the fights... I have to watch the first one again, I watched highlights of the fight years back...

https://********/x_b-enNHVDs

The second

https://********/8RENqmIWI68