The most impressive, evolved modern heavyweight might be James Jeffries!

[Ivich]

And yet you post photo of the second Jeffries while talking about the first fight with little details. ****** of you.

Corbett was 33 for this fight. In the re-match Jeffries had picked up quite a bit of skill and toyed with Corbett.


At his peak, however, Jim actually developed good, solid boxing skills. In the second Corbett fight the Chronicle, Aug 15, 1903, said, “In the third (round) Jeff’s new born cleverness began to assert itself.”

Here let me quote the ref in that fight.



Not that the source of this fight, which took the tale of the tape has Jerries at 6'1" 1/2 as do multiple primary sources. Stop speaking for Pollack who was banned here. Ask him if he thinks Jeffries was only 6'

https://news.google.com/newspapers?i...bett&hl=en

Enjoy a round by round report, which is not the short usually report you post.

The information in the link I posted is from the San Francisco Call

The San Francisco Call . the morning after the fight.

Rounds 1,2,3,4,5,,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 show Corbett had outlanded Jeffries.

"Corbett landed a total of 404 punches.
Jeffries landed140 , no doubt there was more oomph in Jeff's blows, and in the rounds after the16th they had a noticeable effect on Corbett"

"Corbett made a big effort to take Jeffries out in the 9th round, for 2 minutes he landed jab after jab and the n followed up with a series of blows on the jaw that had Jeffries hurt and staggering for a short time.It was the only point in the fight that Corbett came near to winning outright.
Jeffries was bleeding for the nose in the 10th rd, and from the mouth in the 11th.
Reduced to a walk by the start of the 23rd Corbett was easy prey for the bigger man's punches"

"Punches thrown.
Left swings[hooks]Corbett 255. Jeffries 214
Right swings[hooks]Corbett15. Jeffries 49
Straight lefts Corbett237. Jeffries 109
Straight rights Corbett 62 . Jeffries 17
Right uppercuts Corbett 12 . Jeffries 11
Left uppercuts Corbett 8 . Jeffries 11
Left jabs Corbett 88. Jeffries 6
Right jabs Corbett 42 . Jeffries 6

Initiated clinches Corbett 12 . Jeffries 20"

The Call stated the following.

"The showing made by James J Corbett in his recent battle with Champion Jeffries surprised the sporting fraternity so much that the comment has not subsided.
That Corbett completely outclassed Jeffries is shown by the accompanying table compiled by the New York Herald by and expert and,according to his countCorbett landed 404 punches to Jeffries 140.
Had Corbett evaded the knockout blow,referee White could hardly have done otherwise than declared him the victor."

So here are the numbers:

Corbett - 719 Thrown, 404 landed-- 31 thrown per round, 17.5 land 56.4%

Jeffries - 437 Thrown, 140 landed-- 19 thrown per round, 6 land 31.5%

Clinch 12, 20 Total.

So even if this isnt exact, Corbett outlanded Jeffries almost 2-1...

Below is a round by round summary of their second fight.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...t=Jeffries+v+c

"Corbett v McCoy It has been said that this was the last bout conducted under the Horton Law. It was also reported that this bout, among others, deemed "fake," caused the repeal of the Horton Law" Box Rec

"It seems certain that McCoy faked the knockout loss to win bets"CBZ
RUMORED IN NEW YORK THAT TONIGHTS BATTLE IS FIXED FOR CORBETT TO WIN.


WELL KNOWN PUGILISTIC MANAGER DECLARES ALL HAS BEEN ARRANGED BYTHE PRINCIPALS

GEORGE SILER . THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE

"It's all fixed for McCoy to get knocked out." George Siler
"It was hard to believe the men were not acting"Siler

The New York Herald. " Corbett Fight Fixed"

" The fight was a fake and every sporting man in town knows .It was fixed in this very room in which we are sitting", Vera Corbett, Corbett's Wife.
"McCoy gave an excellent imitation of a man in distress" Boxing Historian and Author.Alexander Johnston.
Samuel Hopkins Adamson in Sports Illustrated."There's No Fraud Like An Old Fraud"

Wasn't it you who recently said ,when tearing down a great Champion,"there's no smoke without fire"?
Wkipeadia.Jeffries was six feet tall.

WikiWand Jeffries height 6 foot.

Boxer List Jeffries was six feet tall.

[Ivich]

Your point Maestro? U need to go back to the Ginsburg academy and get some letters.

He is just seeking attention, bless him the poor little mite.

[Willie Pep 229]

Where is your link to that fight? The one you provided is for another forum! Another poster calls you out in the BS. Prove to me with Corbett vs. McCoy fight was a fake? Both men were down and the action was lively. Not likely a fake. Unlike yourself I have the link to it. That fight was a war.

Corbett received oxygen for the first fight by way ( 1900 ) and when his cornerman tried to sprinkle water on the down and out Corbett in the ring, Jeffries kicked him in the face. Still think Jeffries height was only 6 feet? Dude check the tale of the tapes.

Corbett and McCoy traded slurs, punches, a crushed hat, and a few kicks in a hotel lobby two years before they met. (NYT 28 September 1898)

So it is unlikely that the fight was fixed. There was considerable animosity between the two men.

But on the orher hand this does not rule out that McCoy may have gone cross on his own.

Boxrec seems to suggest that McCoy was acting on his own having bet against himself. There seems no evidence Corbett was involved.

You also can never rule out that McCoy just quit to avoid a beating, sometimes that happens as well.

It is interesting that Charley White was referee. His reputation was solid and was known as a no nonsense guy.

Earlier that same year at Coney Island for the Corbett-Jeffries go the crowd refused to pay or bet because they feared that friends Jeffries and Corbett would not actually fight but just spar. (Of course they did in fact fight hard.)

It was only when Charley White announced to the crowd he wouldn't allow any 'funny business' to occur did the crowd step up and accept the fight.

So if something was wrong with McCoy-Corbett, it was probably McCoy alone acting cross, otherwise Referee White would likely have stopped the fight if he didn't think it was legit.

If McCoy chooses to tank on his own there really isn't anything anyone, including the refree, can do about it.

My personal belief, Corbett was trying. McCoy is a question mark.

[Ivich]

corbett and mccoy traded slurs, punches, a crushed hat, and a few kicks in a hotel lobby two years before they met. (nyt 28 september 1898)

so it is unlikely that the fight was fixed. There was considerable animosity between the two men.

But on the orher hand this does not rule out that mccoy may have gone cross on his own.

Boxrec seems to suggest that mccoy was acting on his own having bet against himself. There seems no evidence corbett was involved.

You also can never rule out that mccoy just quit to avoid a beating, sometimes that happens as well.

It is interesting that charley white was referee. His reputation was solid and was known as a no nonsense guy.

Earlier that same year at coney island for the corbett-jeffries go the crowd refused to pay or bet because they feared that friends jeffries and corbett would not actually fight but just spar. (of course they did in fact fight hard.)

it was only when charley white announced to the crowd he wouldn't allow any 'funny business' to occur did the crowd step up and accept the fight.

So if something was wrong with mccoy-corbett, it was probably mccoy alone acting cross, otherwise referee white would likely have stopped the fight if he didn't think it was legit.

If mccoy chooses to tank on his own there really isn't anything anyone, including the refree, can do about it.

My personal belief, corbett was trying. Mccoy is a question mark.

i think that is a quite reasonable assumption to make. Just one caveat, was Corbett also the innocent party when his second jumped into the ring and got him dsq'd, when Sharkey was beating the crap out of him?

[billeau2]

Corbett and McCoy traded slurs, punches, a crushed hat, and a few kicks in a hotel lobby two years before they met. (NYT 28 September 1898)

So it is unlikely that the fight was fixed. There was considerable animosity between the two men.

But on the orher hand this does not rule out that McCoy may have gone cross on his own.

Boxrec seems to suggest that McCoy was acting on his own having bet against himself. There seems no evidence Corbett was involved.

You also can never rule out that McCoy just quit to avoid a beating, sometimes that happens as well.

It is interesting that Charley White was referee. His reputation was solid and was known as a no nonsense guy.

Earlier that same year at Coney Island for the Corbett-Jeffries go the crowd refused to pay or bet because they feared that friends Jeffries and Corbett would not actually fight but just spar. (Of course they did in fact fight hard.)

It was only when Charley White announced to the crowd he wouldn't allow any 'funny business' to occur did the crowd step up and accept the fight.

So if something was wrong with McCoy-Corbett, it was probably McCoy alone acting cross, otherwise Referee White would likely have stopped the fight if he didn't think it was legit.

If McCoy chooses to tank on his own there really isn't anything anyone, including the refree, can do about it.

My personal belief, Corbett was trying. McCoy is a question mark.

We need a thread on McCoy. He has quite a history! Inventor (so he claimed) of "the real McCoy," and the corkscrew punch. DR Z? I even believe there might be a ***ish angle to the Kid as well! I read something about him claiming, of others claiming he was ***ish... seriously. I might try to dig up a few tidbits on McCoy.

I first encountered McCoy when a British writer, trainer circa 1850's or so mentioned that the kid showed him the corkscrew punch and that it was painful, I believe his words were along the lines of, "the dentist came calling!"

[Dr. Z]

We need a thread on McCoy. He has quite a history! Inventor (so he claimed) of "the real McCoy," and the corkscrew punch. DR Z? I even believe there might be a ***ish angle to the Kid as well! I read something about him claiming, of others claiming he was ***ish... seriously. I might try to dig up a few tidbits on McCoy.

I first encountered McCoy when a British writer, trainer circa 1850's or so mentioned that the kid showed him the corkscrew punch and that it was painful, I believe his words were along the lines of, "the dentist came calling!"

McCoy was a criminal and a great pound for pound boxer at turn if the century.

[billeau2]

McCoy was a criminal and a great pound for pound boxer at turn if the century.

Umm... ? definitely a hustler... I mean he had that incident where he committed a criminal act and was sent to prison, but Z, you always seem to categorize people so easily lol! I mean if you really take a good look at McCoy, who you are not technically wrong about, what emerges is a guy who was a hustler. theatrics was even part of his repatroire, and claiming things, tricking Ryan, etc. He was thought to be a very formidable light heavy, I think prior to 1960 he was on a short list of great light heavies.

My opinion is that McCoy was a hustler for sure... I do not think he was really a criminal, but like a lot of people got in a situation he should not have and did some very ****** things lol.

[Dr. Z]

Umm... ? definitely a hustler... I mean he had that incident where he committed a criminal act and was sent to prison, but Z, you always seem to categorize people so easily lol! I mean if you really take a good look at McCoy, who you are not technically wrong about, what emerges is a guy who was a hustler. theatrics was even part of his repatroire, and claiming things, tricking Ryan, etc. He was thought to be a very formidable light heavy, I think prior to 1960 he was on a short list of great light heavies.

My opinion is that McCoy was a hustler for sure... I do not think he was really a criminal, but like a lot of people got in a situation he should not have and did some very ****** things lol.

Definitely a hustler and a trickster. McCoy would feign illness before a fight than enter the ring on a big fight, beating the piss out of his opponent that felt sorry for him. A story goes he was facing a barefoot opponent in the ring...he threw down tacks. He would point down toward a portion of the ring and hit the other guy who was looking for something. He perfected a cork screw punch that created cuts. One never new what the " real " McCoy was up to

He was a criminal that went to prison.

[ShoulderRoll]

Jeffries was an athletic big man for his time. But athleticism often has nothing to do with being a great fighter, as Joe Frazier hilariously showed in the Superstars competition in the 1970’s.

In terms of boxing skills Jeffries was outclassed by Corbett and Fitzsimmons and only beat them because he had a 30+ lbs weight advantage over them.

[Dr. Z]

Jeffries was an athletic big man for his time. But athleticism often has nothing to do with being a great fighter, as Joe Frazier hilariously showed in the Superstars competition in the 1970’s.

In terms of boxing skills Jeffries was outclassed by Corbett and Fitzsimmons and only beat them because he had a 30+ lbs weight advantage over them.

He easily beat Fitz in the first fight, and if you read carefully the second fight was even on rounds. But you have to read primary sources that list round by round reports to judge them. They have been posted here before. Jeffries destroyed Corbett in the second fight. That one is linked in this thread.