The most impressive, evolved modern heavyweight might be James Jeffries!

[Slugfester]

More than a few great writers were racially biased. You still have to read the books. London's are that good--from The Sea Wolf to Call of the Wild. Probably the best fiction-adventure writer ever.

London had advance permission from the public. Maybe a lot of that permission and London's passion stemmed from Johnson's recalcitrance and defiance rather than irrepressible racism. Would he have said the same things if Langford had become champion? I don't think so. Would he have passionately enjoined Jefferies to wipe the smile from the negro's {sic} face? Much of the racism surrounding Johnson was cultivated and nurtured by Johnson himself, not that he should be blamed in the least. He DID NOT create racism, but he did create more, just by being the person he was. London had a world perch to broadcast from, yet so did Johnson. Two icons of the 20th century. In a parallel world of our own with only minor differences, I can't help but feel London sits right now writing the official, sanctioned biography of his friend Jack Johnson in glowing language. No one appreciated heartiness and courage more than a focused London.

[Slugfester]

It just is a nasty pleasure to take apart the Queen b with good old fashioned rational thought. One of these days if we could put him back together the right way...

Would Einstein waste his time on us?

[Ivich]

Which would mean that someone would have had to "know" that Jeffries would have problems, perhaps someone who KNEW better, and could properly assess the chances of a young Johnson... But, but, but, the Queen B tells us that London did not know about boxing, so how would London "know" to set up the hustle?

Which could it be Queen B? Was Johnson a scribe and little else? or a mastermind who no doubt bet on JOhnson while setting up Jeffries as a conquering hero?

It just is a nasty pleasure to take apart the Queen b with good old fashioned rational thought. One of these days if we could put him back together the right way...

If you dismantle him ,FFS leave him in bits .
To paraphrase Cus D'Amato . " god wouldn't make the same mistake twice."

[QueensburyRules]

Ok so... what proof of this set up can you demonstrate? London was a bit of a hustler, it is not entirely improbable. Do you have any proof? Was London in on it? did he bet on Johnson? Billy Martin once decked a marsh mellow salesman... Was that you?

- - Been deck twice by sucker punches in what I initially considered nominal Encounters.

It did not turn out well for them, nor U!!!

[billeau2]

- - Been deck twice by sucker punches in what I initially considered nominal Encounters.

It did not turn out well for them, nor U!!!

Did they stain their shirts with your precious blood? Did they scruff their sneakers kicking youi about? If you figtht as well as you make a point... It would be like taking candy from a baby.

[QueensburyRules]

Did they stain their shirts with your precious blood? Did they scruff their sneakers kicking youi about? If you figtht as well as you make a point... It would be like taking candy from a baby.

- - Jeff stained a lotta bodies red.

That ain’t a Snickers bar in U Harry Potter Bigboys.

[Ivich]

- - Jeff stained a lotta bodies red.

That ain’t a Snickers bar in U Harry Potter Bigboys.

A silly little boy,out of his depth with the grown ups.

[QueensburyRules]

A silly little boy,out of his depth with the grown ups.

- - Go sic’em ol’timer. Give ‘‘em a good gumming.

[QueensburyRules]

Jeffries was an overwhelming favourite, more merde from the chief merde propagator.
His own camp bet on him ,you cant get anymore insider than that.
This fool doesn't mind being continually ripped to bits,what he fears is being ignored.

- - Jeff considered invincible has nothing to do with with the lousy way he felt and the poor training practices that gravely weakened him.

Sorta like U poor intellectual Sapury.

[Ivich]

- - Jeff considered invincible has nothing to do with with the lousy way he felt and the poor training practices that gravely weakened him.

Sorta like U poor intellectual Sapury.

Congratulations, you've just given me another reason not to waste my time making threads here!