The most impressive, evolved modern heavyweight might be James Jeffries!

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  • billeau2
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    #81
    Originally posted by Mooshashi

    You are applying 2021 morals to 1910 morals. Why should he have insight into African history when even today it is either misunderstood or not well documented?
    Because he was well travelled. And he was a man of the people.

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      #82
      Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

      Yea, OK, but what's important is whether you liked my addition to your story.

      P.S. Is 'wokie' a word, a word yet? - You might want to stick with "you sound WOKE" for right now.
      Perhaps he meant WOOKIE?

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        #83
        Originally posted by billeau2

        whomever showed you the way? Shoot them... Then just to make sure? cut their head off? and then? separate the head from the body, by at least 3 states... burn the body and the head... So we can make sure they never ever get the chance to show anyone else the way...
        - - London gave an overly gratuitous report of JJ win over Burns, so if anything he didn’t understand Boxing.

        He overly hyped the press by making the call for Jeffries, not prejudiced.

        He sells NEWSPAPER and shoulda got 20% of the purse…duh!!!

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          #84
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules

          - - London gave an overly gratuitous report of JJ win over Burns, so if anything he didn’t understand Boxing.

          He overly hyped the press by making the call for Jeffries, not prejudiced.

          He sells NEWSPAPER and shoulda got 20% of the purse…duh!!!
          As usual you are way off ... there is no evidence of him being a wide eyed reporter trying to hype a big fight for its own sake, quite the contrary... did you even read the link at least? And this is one example of so many... He pursued Johnson. He toed the line between giving "the Ethiopian" his due (London's words) and then decrying others to take Johnson out. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW how London's account of the fight varied? just wondering...

          There is no question London wrote like a reporter... Any reporter can be gratuitous and even hyperbolic to a degree... that does not translate as a lack of understanding, or, as a need to sell papers for its own sake. London happened to be a great writer. He could write a grocery list and people would want to have a look.

          Was London selling the fight? Well he was not telling people not to come! I mean thats a given QB, he had hyped this fight as a watershed moment, pursuing Johnson and asking Jeffries out of retirement to "save the honor of the White Race." (London's words) If anything the source I gave is projection on the part of London. Jeffries was about as Germanic as half ***ish me! He was a strong midwestern boy, raised on chucking things around land (like Baur) short nights and long days.

          Did London Hype Jeffries with puffery? I doubt it. Put yourself there for a moment... Jeffries looked in shape, he spoke confidently. You are part of his camp, in so far as you asked him to make the effort. Are you then going to say "As great as the great Germanic warrior Jeffries is, the inferior Johnson will prevail."

          When all is said and done, London could have manufactured the whole thing from the beginning, but that requires extraordinary proof that I do not see.
          Last edited by billeau2; 09-01-2023, 10:37 AM.

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            #85
            Originally posted by billeau2

            As usual you are way off ... there is no evidence of him being a wide eyed reporter trying to hype a big fight for its own sake, quite the contrary... did you even read the link at least? And this is one example of so many... He pursued Johnson. He toed the line between giving "the Ethiopian" his due (London's words) and then decrying others to take Johnson out. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW how London's account of the fight varied? just wondering...

            There is no question London wrote like a reporter... Any reporter can be gratuitous and even hyperbolic to a degree... that does not translate as a lack of understanding, or, as a need to sell papers for its own sake. London happened to be a great writer. He could write a grocery list and people would want to have a look.

            Was London selling the fight? Well he was not telling people not to come! I mean thats a given QB, he had hyped this fight as a watershed moment, pursuing Johnson and asking Jeffries out of retirement to "save the honor of the White Race." (London's words) If anything the source I gave is projection on the part of London. Jeffries was about as Germanic as half ***ish me! He was a strong midwestern boy, raised on chucking things around land (like Baur) short nights and long days.

            Did London Hype Jeffries with puffery? I doubt it. Put yourself there for a moment... Jeffries looked in shape, he spoke confidently. You are part of his camp, in so far as you asked him to make the effort. Are you then going to say "As great as the great Germanic warrior Jeffries is, the inferior Johnson will prevail."

            When all is said and done, London could have manufactured the whole thing from the beginning, but that requires extraordinary proof that I do not see.
            You have more patience with him than I could manage, he just trolls garbage to get a reaction imo.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Ivich

              You have more patience with him than I could manage, he just trolls garbage to get a reaction imo.
              - - Jeffries before the fight felt like Billy when he was run over.

              He looked like you after the fight. His ills were well known to insiders who made a fortune in wagers…yer welcome…

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                #87
                Originally posted by Ivich

                You have more patience with him than I could manage, he just trolls garbage to get a reaction imo.
                I am not unsympathetic to the view that perhaps London manufactured the interest in this fight. It is not entirely implausible. But it does not sit right with me: If anything, why wouldn't London champion the cause of Johnson! In addition to being a member of a downtrodden caste, Johnson came from a coastal town with the same working class Strevadores that were a fixture in rough and tumble Oakland.

                Especially considering the progressive side of London... Why would he be blind to the negative implications of Eugenics? Things like romanticising stereotypes and such... they are such a departure from the Eugenic idea to create human beings that are bred to resist horrid diseases, conditions that potentially damn an individual to an inferior quality of life... London absolutely had compassion and real concern for how the classes of society were detrimental and discriminatory... It is to many, a possible reason he committed suicide. Many maintain that his book Martin Eden, a great read, was autobiographical.

                I have issues when things do not make sense . Drives my wife crazy sometimes lol. And to me, I don't see London's angle. As far as Queen B, his point would be a lot better if he was willing to put some work in lol... But yeah that is not going to happen.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                  - - Jeffries before the fight felt like Billy when he was run over.

                  He looked like you after the fight. His ills were well known to insiders who made a fortune in wagers…yer welcome…
                  Ok so... what proof of this set up can you demonstrate? London was a bit of a hustler, it is not entirely improbable. Do you have any proof? Was London in on it? did he bet on Johnson? Billy Martin once decked a marsh mellow salesman... Was that you?

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                    - - Jeffries before the fight felt like Billy when he was run over.

                    He looked like you after the fight. His ills were well known to insiders who made a fortune in wagers…yer welcome…
                    Jeffries was an overwhelming favourite, more merde from the chief merde propagator.
                    His own camp bet on him ,you cant get anymore insider than that.
                    This fool doesn't mind being continually ripped to bits,what he fears is being ignored.
                    Last edited by Ivich; 09-01-2023, 04:05 PM.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by Ivich

                      Jeffries was an overwhelming favourite, more merde from the chief merde propagator.
                      His own camp bet on him ,you cant get anymore insider than that.
                      This fool doesn't mind being continually ripped to bits,what he fears is being ignored.
                      Which would mean that someone would have had to "know" that Jeffries would have problems, perhaps someone who KNEW better, and could properly assess the chances of a young Johnson... But, but, but, the Queen B tells us that London did not know about boxing, so how would London "know" to set up the hustle?

                      Which could it be Queen B? Was Johnson a scribe and little else? or a mastermind who no doubt bet on JOhnson while setting up Jeffries as a conquering hero?

                      It just is a nasty pleasure to take apart the Queen b with good old fashioned rational thought. One of these days if we could put him back together the right way...

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