Pryor versus Arguello 1&2 anyone remember these two mega fights!?

[Willie Pep 229]

Same question: What makes a fighter better in a bottle?

You don't think one can add to a liquid and give a fighter an advantage?

What I find most compelling is that it is a one round turn around for Pryor. While at first blush one might want to believe it was a stimulant, with Panama Lewis calling for the bottle and then feeding it to Pryor, it couldn't have been in Pryor's system for more than 30 seconds when he exploded off the stool.

That really doesn't work for me. Shove ******* up his nose then yea I can see it. But IMO something introduced, deluded by liquid, would affect him, but it would take some time.

What it may have been, was nothing more than youth and a classic second wind.

In regards to Lewis possibly feeding Pryor the stimulant all though-out the fight, seems mitgated by the fact that he had to specially call for it at that moment.

Of course that he did call for 'the one I mixed' is so damning, along with his post fight history, it makes anything possible with this guy.

But I am hard pressed to see how it could turn Pryor around the way it seems to have done, almost in an instant.

I think what we got here is correlation not causation. Lewis was evil and probably was trying to cheat. The bottle pribably was dirty (outsude the rules), but what brought Pryor off the stool was a second wind.

Just my two cents.

[billeau2]

You don't think one can add to a liquid and give a fighter an advantage?

What I find most compelling is that it is a one round turn around for Pryor. While at first blush one might want to believe it was a stimulant, with Panama Lewis calling for the bottle and then feeding it to Pryor, it couldn't have been in Pryor's system for more than 30 seconds when he exploded off the stool.

That really doesn't work for me. Shove ******* up his nose then yea I can see it. But IMO something introduced, deluded by liquid, would affect him, but it would take some time.

What it may have been, was nothing more than youth and a classic second wind.

In regards to Lewis possibly feeding Pryor the stimulant all though-out the fight, seems mitgated by the fact that he had to specially call for it at that moment.

Of course that he did call for 'the one I mixed' is so damning, along with his post fight history, it makes anything possible with this guy.

But I am hard pressed to see how it could turn Pryor around the way it seems to have done, almost in an instant.

I think what we got here is correlation not causation. Lewis was evil and probably was trying to cheat. The bottle pribably was dirty (outsude the rules), but what brought Pryor off the stool was a second wind.

Just my two cents.

Of course I do!!! The Shadow had his purple restorative narcotic.

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Sorry, always loved the Shadow, along with Sherlock Holmes. I am a big fan of when authors throw in potations, that hint to drugs people use... Holmes had his speedballs, or ******* alone (debated to this day) he shot up and the shadow had his super potent Opium derivative. It is a great archetype... "Spent and with one of his last five breaths he reaches for a vial, suddenly the life comes back into his face... "

But I am skeptical of how this translates. How in the real world one could access such a potation. So when people claim Pryor had help, I just want to understand what it is. When the debates were fierce in this section about Dempsey and hand coverings, I looked up and realized that there was no vinyl electrical tape yet... What the Sears Roebuck people called "Bicycle tape" was used for wiring and had a course structure that could induce hardness in a wrap of the hands. It made sense, and I still think fighters used it for this purpose at the time.

But what would help a man to ingest? Alcohol? a stimulant? Some combination there of? It beats me.

[kara]

You don't think one can add to a liquid and give a fighter an advantage?

What I find most compelling is that it is a one round turn around for Pryor. While at first blush one might want to believe it was a stimulant, with Panama Lewis calling for the bottle and then feeding it to Pryor, it couldn't have been in Pryor's system for more than 30 seconds when he exploded off the stool.

That really doesn't work for me. Shove ******* up his nose then yea I can see it. But IMO something introduced, deluded by liquid, would affect him, but it would take some time.

What it may have been, was nothing more than youth and a classic second wind.

In regards to Lewis possibly feeding Pryor the stimulant all though-out the fight, seems mitgated by the fact that he had to specially call for it at that moment.

Of course that he did call for 'the one I mixed' is so damning, along with his post fight history, it makes anything possible with this guy.

But I am hard pressed to see how it could turn Pryor around the way it seems to have done, almost in an instant.

I think what we got here is correlation not causation. Lewis was evil and probably was trying to cheat. The bottle pribably was dirty (outsude the rules), but what brought Pryor off the stool was a second wind.

Just my two cents.

That special Panama Lewis potion.

[QueensburyRules]

- - I'll say it again for the ear muff guys here, Pryor/Arguello 1 was an epic ebb and flow stylistic masterclass of tactics and conditioning.

The last round both came out exhausted and basically posed faints trying to buy recovery time, but inside a minute Pryor made the first move, a leaping hook that knocked Arguello to the ropes where he finished him 10 sec later. Bottle stimulants take a long time come in play, and in any rate, no extra stamina was needed, just a surprise move.

Had Arguello countered him coming in, Arguello gets the KO...boxing 101...yer welcome!!!

[Slugfester]

Tainted with what though? I want some of that shiat, or at least could have used some when my mother in law was still around... Don't let her 240 pounds, or so of herniated surface area fool ya! Women was a certified husband killer! Called me a Philadelphia lawyer!! When the wife and I were living in the area, wifey working on thesis in Lafayette LA, she would not come into the house because we were not yet married and living in sin... Try explaining to crazy neighbors what big women is doing outside front door, much less trying to cover that ground for a rabbit punch!

Yes Sir! If Mr Lewis has entree into some jungle juice of a sort that would make me Aaron Pryor for a while, I am in!!

You ever try speed??????? It could wake a chicken on the dinner table.

[billeau2]

You ever try speed??????? It could wake a chicken on the dinner table.

Yes and yes...but at a performance level like a contest? ummm? def for mental adjustments short term.

[QueensburyRules]

According to Luis Resto in the Assault in the Ring documentary, who had Panama Lewis for a trainer, it was a dissolved asthma tablet. He said it was something Lewis would also use for him in fights. It would open up the airways/lungs/nostrils, apparently giving a fighter a burst of energy for the last few rounds if needed. So either Primatene Tablets or possibly some generic form of that, which is something you could get over the counter at any drug store.

- - Resto just a poor 3rd Worlder caught up in a viciously corrupt sport beaten down over the Collins incident.

He’d say anything, but an asthma inhaler hidden in the back of a hand is the way to go, a quick shot.

[Willie Pep 229]

Someone should have killed Panama Lewis.

Should not have been allowed to die from natural causes.

Where's the justice?

Should have died violently, that would have been proper.

[Slugfester]

Yes and yes...but at a performance level like a contest? ummm? def for mental adjustments short term.

You mean it wouldn't give him a hella boost of energy?

[Zaroku]

Pryor was on crack

he didn’t feel punched or pain