If Wills Had Fought And Beaten Dempsey In1922?

[GhostofDempsey]

He fought and made far less than 20k in France. Facts are stubborn things, aren't they? Offers we made by Langford and Jeannette. You are.

He came back with more of his anonymous sources and nothing more than Johnson’s word, we all know Johnson was a chronic liar, even travesty himself accused old Jack of lying a time or two. He can’t seem to make up his mind if he is telling the truth or not. Lol.

[Ivich]

He came back with more of his anonymous sources and nothing more than Johnson’s word, we all know Johnson was a chronic liar, even travesty himself accused old Jack of lying a time or two. He can’t seem to make up his mind if he is telling the truth or not. Lol.

Congratulations you two Johnson haters, you turned my Wills v Dempsey thread into another hate fest on Jack Johnson ,now go and **** yourselves the two of you, you're ****ing obsessed!
You only come out of your hole when Dempsey of Johnson's name is mentioned, or there is some salacious sex gossip on the silly forum.And that other fool only lives,and breathes to **** on Johnson,what ****ing use are either of you to this forum?
Well I have to hand it to you, you beat me,no more threads from me! You'll have to content yourselves with ragging the last bones of this one.

[travestyny]

Yes, they did in France where Johnson had no legal problems preventing a fight there. Nor did Johnson have the NY commission is his back pocket. I say move the fight! Vegas will do. No fight was banned there!

Have you been paying attention to the conversations we have been having with you here? Yes, we all recognize that fights can happen anywhere in the world. There still needs to be a contract that both parties agree to. If you say the fight could have been moved to Vegas, then show us the offer from a promoter for Vegas and tell us the time frame when it was made so that we can discuss whether the offer was fair and if any circumstances within the time frame would justify the fight not happening.

I can't put it any more clearly than that. If you know of an offer for the fight to happen in Vegas, present it to the board and let us then discuss it. If you are only going to claim you don't have the time now, then do it when you have time.

I provided you with an offer in France and a link to it. That is what you asked for and were hoping I could not provide. Okay I did that. There are other offers in French. As stated the French stripped Johnson because he would not fight Langford or Jeannette in France.

No, you did not. I told you I don't have a NYT subscription. All I got was a headline that said there was an agreement. I have no idea if the agreement was legit, I don't know if the agreement was broken by Johnson, Langford, or the promoter. I don't have any information. Can you take a screencap of the article so that we can read it here?

You still did not answer my questions. I'll ask you again. Why are you ducking me?

Are you saying Johnson was never offered more money than actually made in two fights in France? Are you saying he would not draw more fans and make more $$$ vs. Langford or Jeannette than he did vs Jim Battling Johnson? Speak up.

What two fights are you referring to? I'm guessing the Jim Johnson and Frank Moran fights, correct? He clearly was set to make more money vs. Moran than any of them ($30,000). That's what all parties agreed to and then the money was stolen. You know that but you never want to acknowledge it.

Do I believe he would get more money for Langford or Jeannette than Battling Jim Johnson? Absolutely. But the money first of all has to be offered to him. Johnson took the fight vs. Jim Johnson on very short notice as far as I can tell. It was obvious a quick money grab, as he was already signed to make a whopping $30,000 vs. Frank Moran. So that begs the question: since Dan McKetrick (Joe Jeannette's manager) made the Jack Johnson vs. Frank Moran fight for the $30,000 instead of the fight for his guy Joe Jeannette, did he believe the Johnson/Moran fight was the more lucrative fight. Seems like it to me since that's the fight he made..

So it seems you have your answer now. Frank Moran was deemed the most lucrative fight, or McKetrick would have made the fight for Jeannette and offered Johnson the $30,000. No way he's not going to try to make the most money for the fight he puts on in Paris. So unless you have any more information to share, the only thing that has been made clear so far is that, as has always been stated, it was more lucrative for Jack Johnson to fight White men, and the promoters knew that.

[travestyny]

He fought and made far less than 20k in France. Facts are stubborn things, aren't they? Offers we made by Langford and Jeannette. You are.

To make this clear, your facts are not the only facts.


Do you admit that he was slated to make from $30,000 to $35,000 from the Moran fight before the French police moved in and took the money away? This is the only reason you cling to this angle, but I'm sorry. It's not going to work on anyone who is informed.

So to use your term: "Speak Up!" Do you admit the fact above?

[travestyny]

He came back with more of his anonymous sources and nothing more than Johnson’s word, we all know Johnson was a chronic liar, even travesty himself accused old Jack of lying a time or two. He can’t seem to make up his mind if he is telling the truth or not. Lol.

All men lie. Especially you, which is the true irony here.

I didn't come back with only Johnson's word. My post made it clear that not only Johnson claimed Langford was to blame at one point for the fight not happening. I'll re-post it right here so we can see that it's you that is lying once again (I'm so not surprised).


Evening Star Jan 29, 1911. Article about promoter JACK OBRIEN which backs up Jack Johnson's claim that he accepted a fight with Langford and Langford then left for England. OBRIEN claimed that he had the contract for the fight.

[QueensburyRules]

To make this clear, your facts are not the only facts.


Do you admit that he was slated to make from $30,000 to $35,000 from the Moran fight before the French police moved in and took the money away? This is the only reason you cling to this angle, but I'm sorry. It's not going to work on anyone who is informed.

So to use your term: "Speak Up!" Do you admit the fact above?

- - Maybe the French gendarme had a judge's order to shut down a fraudulent travestyny, ya think?

[travestyny]

- - Maybe the French gendarme had a judge's order to shut down a fraudulent travestyny, ya think?

Maybe you are still lonely, so I'll just put you back in the ignore bin since you bring nothing to this forum except your own embarrassment, ya think?

Try making a salient point, pops. I don't have time for geriatrics with puree brains.

[QueensburyRules]

Maybe you are still lonely, so I'll just put you back in the ignore bin since you bring nothing to this forum except your own embarrassment, ya think?

Try making a salient point, pops. I don't have time for geriatrics with puree brains.

- - Maybe you Tinkerbell personality don't like gittin' whooped ever time you post is more likely.

[travestyny]

- - Maybe you Tinkerbell personality don't like gittin' whooped ever time you post is more likely.

Well then certainly you'll be able to show proof or where I been whooped.

The last time you tried, you told us that Dempsey accepted a fight in 2001 with Wills. A bit late, pops

[GhostofDempsey]

Congratulations you two Johnson haters, you turned my Wills v Dempsey thread into another hate fest on Jack Johnson ,now go and **** yourselves the two of you, you're ****ing obsessed!
You only come out of your hole when Dempsey of Johnson's name is mentioned, or there is some salacious sex gossip on the silly forum.And that other fool only lives,and breathes to **** on Johnson,what ****ing use are either of you to this forum?
Well I have to hand it to you, you beat me,no more threads from me! You'll have to content yourselves with ragging the last bones of this one.

Tut tut, none of your salty tears. Travesty hijacks every single thread on this forum to make it about Dempsey with the same old played out song. Only now you decide to complain about a tread going off on a tangent? I wasn’t the first to mention Johnson on here. Travesty has been talking about him since page one. I post on threads of all topics on this forum. He certainly doesn’t. He only posts about Dempsey, Johnson and Wills. You only started posting here again after you were banned on the other site for your constant arguing and belligerent posting style. You can’t seem to get along with anyone unless they agree with you unconditionally. It’s a pattern of toxicity with you.