Robinson vs McClellan

[DooGee#33]

Okay, here we go. I'm going to get tore up for this. SRR was may have been the greatest p4p champion of all time. not the greatest MW of all time. He lost his title 4 times. Yes, he was very good. McClellan would bring the fire. If Fullmer could beat SRR with half the skill and power of McClellan. Who knows. Not saying he could beat Robinson just food for thought.

Robinson lost his title 3 times in the ring. Twice well after his prime. He should have won the crown a 6th time when he boxed the rugged Fullmer's ears off in Los Angeles 1960. Ray won at least 11 rounds.

[them_apples]

I don't think there is anything level about one mans outweighing another by ten pounds in prime peak condition. Just because there have been greater gaps in no way negates that McClellan was bigger. As they step into the ring, even if they both ate large meals, their weights will still be about ten pounds apart (9 1/2) to be exact.

Something I didn't lay out is when (which era) the mythical match will occur, and with which equipment under which guidelines. It makes a difference. I always go for the older era. For one thing, because they fought fifteen rounds, and the increased stamina to achieve this mark is part of the older fighters repertoire, and therefore should not be excluded.

I just feel if we ran a simulator, size would be the last factor that determines the winner. I am guessing here, but also just going by my personal observation. If we had a proper sim (mythical) I think Robinson would knock McClellan out late, and how he does it would be a wild card nobody would predict. I just know who I would pick.

I could guess though: Mcclellan is a Kronk fighter, he fights a certain way. He doesn’t move his head but he has a strong jab and right cross. Lewis, mcclellan, hearns etc all showed these same traits. All of them were susceptible to getting sparked because they weren’t taught how to ride punches. Robinson was thats why he’s almost impossible to knockout. This pretty much nullifies mcclellans best asset. So factor in Robinsons superior head movement and ability to create openings with it by making oponents miss, I can’t see how a stiff upright Kronk fighter doesn’t get caught with a huge left hook that knocks him out or stops him. 10 lbs down or not, doubt it matters.

[Slugfester]

I just feel if we ran a simulator, size would be the last factor that determines the winner. I am guessing here, but also just going by my personal observation. If we had a proper sim (mythical) I think Robinson would knock McClellan out late, and how he does it would be a wild card nobody would predict. I just know who I would pick.

I could guess though: Mcclellan is a Kronk fighter, he fights a certain way. He doesnât move his head but he has a strong jab and right cross. Lewis, mcclellan, hearns etc all showed these same traits. All of them were susceptible to getting sparked because they werenât taught how to ride punches. Robinson was thats why heâs almost impossible to knockout. This pretty much nullifies mcclellans best asset. So factor in Robinsons superior head movement and ability to create openings with it by making oponents miss, I canât see how a stiff upright Kronk fighter doesnât get caught with a huge left hook that knocks him out or stops him. 10 lbs down or not, doubt it matters.

Okay. Then twenty lbs doesn't mean anything either.

[Dr. Z]

Robinson via tough 9-6 in rounds type of decision.

[Ivich]

Just wondering who folks think would have won this one. Many people do rank McClellan as one of the better middleweights ever. That is my justification and apology, wrapped up in one. Robinson vs McClellan.

McClellan beat Jackson and Mugabi, what else did he do ?

[Slugfester]

McClellan beat Jackson and Mugabi, what else did he do ?

I can't tell what you are reacting to.

[Ivich]

I can't tell what you are reacting to.

Who else ,worth talking about did McClellan beat to match him with Robinson?

[Slugfester]

Who else ,worth talking about did McClellan beat to match him with Robinson?

You want to know why I matched them. He was a two time middleweight champion according to the books, so I feel that would be enough by itself, even if it were the only reason. Robinson faced many a man that Mcclellan is quite likely to waltz through easily, so if they were good enough for Robinson then Mcclellan must be too. He poses a set of problems Robinson may have never solved before. I don't know of Robinson solving a tall, rangey wild man with a super hard punch. Was there one? (Honest question).

Then there is natural curiosity about how others feel. He still enjoys a fearsome reputation on boxing forums. Like you suggest, he didn't do a hell of a lot at middleweight, besides stand out in his time and beat Julian Jackson, which is no slouch by itself either, in my humble opinion.

It is a match I would like to see, but not the one I would like to see most.

[Ivich]

You want to know why I matched them. He was a two time middleweight champion according to the books, so I feel that would be enough by itself, even if it were the only reason. Robinson faced many a man that Mcclellan is quite likely to waltz through easily, so if they were good enough for Robinson then Mcclellan must be too. He poses a set of problems Robinson may have never solved before. I don't know of Robinson solving a tall, rangey wild man with a super hard punch. Was there one? (Honest question).

Then there is natural curiosity about how others feel. He still enjoys a fearsome reputation on boxing forums. Like you suggest, he didn't do a hell of a lot at middleweight, besides stand out in his time and beat Julian Jackson, which is no slouch by itself either, in my humble opinion.

It is a match I would like to see, but not the one I would like to see most.

Ninety percent of McClellan's opponents Robinson would destroy imo.
You match whom you want I'm just querying McClellan's credentials, two wins over ex light middles,big punchers though they were?.

[Slugfester]

Ninety percent of McClellan's opponents Robinson would destroy imo.
You match whom you want I'm just querying McClellan's credentials, two wins over ex light middles,big punchers though they were?.

I told you my reasons. What percentage of Robinson's opposition would Mcclellan destroy?