If Dempsey Had Defended Against Wills,Godfrey & Norfolk?

[Willie Pep 229]

Ohh. So in 1922 Kearns had a huge issue with Rickard and wanted no part of him at all.

But they were working together in 1923.

I think I proved my point

What? What! --> You are history lite.

[travestyny]

What? What! --> You are history lite.

I think your bs was just proven incorrect. Not surprising.

Another of your excuses down the drain.

[GhostofDempsey]

Silly man speaking in forum cliches.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Dempsey made for good news fodder, and lies against him without any context, sold better than the truth. We now have enough context to piece together what was really going on. But the gerbil is still cherry picking the “facts” and disregarding any contradictory evidence that debunks his agenda. The loudest person in the room is also the most insecure, hence the childish taunts and jockeying for the last word.

He is still clinging to anonymous sources, cherry picked hundred year old articles, and the words of rival promoters and managers. Doesn’t matter how many sources we post, he will ignore them with the whataboutisms and pivoting to something else. The cheerleader will chime in with his Pom-poms without offering anything more than a snarky insult to defend the honor of his princess.

[travestyny]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Dempsey made for good news fodder, and lies against him without any context, sold better than the truth. We now have enough context to piece together what was really going on. But the gerbil is still cherry picking the “facts” and disregarding any contradictory evidence that debunks his agenda. The loudest person in the room is also the most insecure, hence the childish taunts and jockeying for the last word.

He is still clinging to anonymous sources, cherry picked hundred year old articles, and the words of rival promoters and managers. Doesn’t matter how many sources we post, he will ignore them with the whataboutisms and pivoting to something else. The cheerleader will chime in with his Pom-poms without offering anything more than a snarky insult to defend the honor of his princess.

Funny because neither one of you posted sources when I asked. I have.

You've added nothing to this thread except telling the same lies about Jack Johnson that have been previously proven false, yet you can't stop. Pretty sure that proves that you're in no position to talk here. Johnson never offered Jeannette a title shot, right? Well then how was it a championship bout?






You must feel real proud of yourself to have to keep lying about all time great boxers who have been dead for decades.


Truth is, neither of you can handle the truth. You've both embarrassed yourself here as all of your lies have been exposed.

Aint that right Willie Pep 229

Wills team wasn't looking to fight only in New York, and Kearns and Rickard were working together even in 1923 weren't they?


Better luck next time, buffoons

[Willie Pep 229]

Funny because neither one of you posted sources when I asked. I have.

You've added nothing to this thread except telling the same lies about Jack Johnson that have been previously proven false, yet you can't stop. Pretty sure that proves that you're in no position to talk here. Johnson never offered Jeannette a title shot, right? Well then how was it a championship bout?






You must feel real proud of yourself to have to keep lying about all time great boxers who have been dead for decades.


Truth is, neither of you can handle the truth. You've both embarrassed yourself here as all of your lies have been exposed.

Aint that right Willie Pep 229

Wills team wasn't looking to fight only in New York, and Kearns and Rickard were working together even in 1923 weren't they?


Better luck next time, buffoons

Mr. History lite!

[Willie Pep 229]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Dempsey made for good news fodder, and lies against him without any context, sold better than the truth. We now have enough context to piece together what was really going on. But the gerbil is still cherry picking the “facts” and disregarding any contradictory evidence that debunks his agenda. The loudest person in the room is also the most insecure, hence the childish taunts and jockeying for the last word.

He is still clinging to anonymous sources, cherry picked hundred year old articles, and the words of rival promoters and managers. Doesn’t matter how many sources we post, he will ignore them with the whataboutisms and pivoting to something else. The cheerleader will chime in with his Pom-poms without offering anything more than a snarky insult to defend the honor of his princess.

Yep he just did it again and he's back to Johnson.

[GhostofDempsey]

Mr. History lite!

Hahaha! More of his anonymous sources with the word “probably” which indicates the fight was never made, which we know it wasn’t. Jeannette, McVey and Langford were liars though, I guess they were all part of a conspiracy to discredit Johnson for some reason. I’m sure they were no closer to the truth than some estro-male Google PhD a hundred years into the future.

[GhostofDempsey]

Yep he just did it again and he's back to Johnson.

He’s never read a boxing book in his life. I have quoted sources from The Sundowners, Moyle’s book on Langford, two volumes of Adam Pollack’s recent books on Dempsey, The First Black Boxing Champions: Essays on Fighters of the 1800s to the 1920s, Joe Jeannette’s biography, not to mention articles from countless historians. He has ignored and dismissed every one of them. Just keeps countering with the same tired old sources that prove nothing. It’s like communicating with someone suffering from a mental disorder or severe brain injury. I finally put him on ignore because I think he may be on the spectrum (not joking) and it started to feel like I was abusing him.

[Ivich]

Yep he just did it again and he's back to Johnson.

I don't know about the Dempsey Wills situation but it is an established fact that Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette twice,and as the poster he printed shows it was for the McMahon brothers in NY they had finally agreed to give him Johnsons asking price of $30,000 after originally offering him $20,000 and then $25,000.
The fight was cancelled when the NY AC Commissioner threatened any promoter who put it on with the suspension of their licence.
Both the Commissioner and the McMahon brothers made public statements to the press about the fight being pulled,and I have posted them before.
Joe Jeannette also made a public statement absolving Johnson of blame for the fight not happening.
Johnson was even barred from doing a free exhibition match for a local charity.

These statements can be found in Pollack's 2nd vol of Jack Johnson along with the date and the name of the newspapers they were printed in.
So I cannot see where there is any room for doubt on this matter and Travestny is entirely correct when he says the fight was scheduled with all parties concerned agreed,both Johnson and Jeannette posted cash bonds as tokens of good faith as was customary, the promoters booked the arena and had the cards,and posters printed.This does not happen unless those involved are in earnest.
To deny these established recorded facts ,is willfully nonsensical and would indicate an underlying motive which in the interest of harmony I would rather not go into.

[travestyny]

Mr. History lite!

Mr. History lite proved you are Mr. bullshlt

Didn't all of your lies get exposed? You can't admit that you're wrong....but it's crystal clear that you've been proven wrong here how many times? That's why you got so mad and blew a gasket