Where does Crawford Rank Historically as a Welterweight?

[billeau2]

- - Well the judges did give it to Manny before the Vegas commish doctored the decision. That's all you need to know about modern boxing.

I don't know who won that fight if we rejudge it... I never score fights and probably would not do a good job because my interest is in the boxing match as a fight, which guy shows effectively in a manner that is transparent to any kid who ever had to mix them up lol, But it appeared to me that neither fighter was willing to risk enough to try to win in a convincing fashion.

[billeau2]

Boots wonât do anything lol. The amount of glorified amatuers in boxing today, it was only a matter of time before someone like crawford came along.

Interesting point. Spence was a standout amatuer as well.

[Willow The Wisp]

Bud has secured the status of a great one. The best this generation can field, for certain, and likely the mythical P4P champ.

Hearns didn’t have any great wins at welter.

KO of Pipino, a streaking champion, was legendary.

Yeah but after Toney, Jones didn't fight any top opponents, even avoiding the Darius fight.

Hill, Paz, Del Vale, McCallum, Grant, Thornton, Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Ruiz, Trinidad.....ya musta forgot.

[GhostofDempsey]

Bud has secured the status of a great one. The best this generation can field, for certain, and likely the mythical P4P champ.



KO of Pipino, a streaking champion, was legendary.



Hill, Paz, Del Vale, McCallum, Grant, Thornton, Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Ruiz, Trinidad.....ya musta forgot.

Good KO win, but Cuevas was the Amir Khan of the 70s. Good hands, glass chin.

[Anthony342]

Bud has secured the status of a great one. The best this generation can field, for certain, and likely the mythical P4P champ.



KO of Pipino, a streaking champion, was legendary.



Hill, Paz, Del Vale, McCallum, Grant, Thornton, Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Ruiz, Trinidad.....ya musta forgot.

Those are good wins, not great, like Hopkins and Toney. Trinidad would've been better if it were sooner, not 2008 dude. And Trinidad at light heavy? Guy's at his best at lower weight classes, like welter.

[Ivich]

Well, if dominance matters in judging fighters, as has been mentioned here, what can we now say about Terence Crawford as an all time welterweight?

I know he is still fighting, but save for Ennis there ain't much to add to his WW resume that is currently out there. And though he has far more fights at LW & JWW, he already has more fights at welter than Duran and more title fights at welter than Hearns; point being there should be enough of a sample size to evaluate.

So, where does he rank in your opinion as an all time welterweight?

I wait until they are retired before trying to evaluate them.

[billeau2]

I wait until they are retired before trying to evaluate them.

You just have to.

[Willow The Wisp]

Good KO win, but Cuevas was the Amir Khan of the 70s. Good hands, glass chin.

Cuavas was one of those guys with a spotty record at the start and at the end of his career; but in the middle. Holy crap!! He was a human meat grinder; and between the eras of Jose Napoles and Leonard - Hearns - Duran, approximately from 12/1975 and 11/79, 4 years, and with apologies to Palomino and Benitez; Cuavas was the number one Welterweight in the world.
No knock against the capable Amir Khan, whose skills earned him $40 million; but he was never anything close to that.

[The D3vil]

It's hard to evaluate a guy like Crawford because boxing is so fxcked up today.

I think that's why this win is simultaneously so satisfying & depressing at the same time.

Crawford should've BEEN able to have big fights, but was blackballed and slandered, so this is his first really big fight, at the age of almost 36.

So, his win of Spence is monumental by today's standards, in the past, a guy like Crawford would've had the chance to face everybody while everybody was still in their primes and it'd be easier to figure out where he actually stands.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Unless he commits some horrendous crime, Craw a HOF lock.

Spence only one fight in 3 years after near fatal crash is lucky to be alive. He was off balance and out of sorts vs Craw just as he was vs Ugas, ie not the same fighter, so much adieu about nothing vs Spence.

Inoue blowout of undefeated stinker Fulton in his 4th weight class much more impressive is my #1 P4P fighter.