Lennox Lewis vs the past and present Southpaws and Slick orthodox fighters.

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  • Ivich
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    #41
    Originally posted by Dr. Z

    To answer you question Lewis avoided both Ruiz and Bryd. He did not face the southpaw Sanders either, but he sure mentioned his name to the press. Do you pay attention to belts he gave them, rather than fight them? ​ He was not promoting them.

    I do not know why he never fight the southpaw Morrer, but he sure could have.

    Today's heavyweight are a total jokes! I have been consistent in saying that. Fury is a PED cheating fraud and Wilder is well... they fight the old, not in shape or not very good. Lewis is levels above those fighters.

    Wlad was going to fight the older Sanders but lost and retired. His brother due to marketing and ratings fought him next him if you can remember.
    Sanders was not ranked until near the end of 2003Johnson had his last fight in the summer of that year Hence no Sanders fight pretty simple to grasp really.

    Moorer sure could have campaigned for a fight with Lewis .have you any evidence that he ever did? Moorer was gone from the ratings by the end of 98
    Lewis was just hitting his prime then.
    The ratings were
    Title Vacant
    1 Holyfield
    2 Lewis
    3 Grant
    4 Moorer
    5 Briggs
    6 Byrd
    7.Ibeabuchi
    8Tua
    9 Golota
    10 Rahman

    Of those Lewis fought Holyfield x2 Grant,Briggs,Tua Golota,Rahman x2.
    He could have fought Moorer, supposing Moorer was interested in fighting him but there was never a compelling reason for him to do so.
    Lewis was I think first ranked in1991.
    Ruiz was not ranked until 2001 when he was no 7 above him were
    1 Wlad
    2.Tyson
    3 Byrd
    4 Rahman
    5Johnson
    6 Holyfield
    Lewis fought Tyson.Rahman,Holyfield
    Above him
    1 Wlad
    2 Byrd
    3Tua
    4 Holyfield

    Lewis fought Tua and Holyfield
    2003 Ruiz was ranked no7 but its not relevant because Lewis only fought once, a defence against the 4th ranked Vitali then he retired.

    So Ruiz was never ranked higher than 5th whilst Lewis was champ and Lewis defended and beat many of those ranked above Ruiz, men like Holyfield and Tua who both beat Ruiz.

    Conclusion there is no case to answer to the spurious charge that Lewis avoided Ruiz or Sanders.
    Last edited by Ivich; 07-10-2023, 10:06 AM.

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    • mrbig1
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      #42
      Lewis fought in a tough era. they all fought each other. Fighter like Holyfield, Tyson, Mercer, Grant, Tua, Rudock, McCall. When the smoke cleared only one man was left standing and that was Lennox Lewis. Some of my brothers here pick out one fight and base an entire career on it.

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      • QueensburyRules
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        #43
        Originally posted by mrbig1
        Lewis fought in a tough era. they all fought each other. Fighter like Holyfield, Tyson, Mercer, Grant, Tua, Rudock, McCall. When the smoke cleared only one man was left standing and that was Lennox Lewis. Some of my brothers here pick out one fight and base an entire career on it.
        - - While Lewie was fighting three rounders in pillows and headgear, Tyson mopped up the derelict Tubby Lar division for the first ever WBC/WBA/IBF/Ring Belts and did it in a spectacular cakewalk.

        Berbick mopped up Ali and fought them all too, so Berbick better than Lewie according to your criteria...

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          #44
          Originally posted by Dr. Z

          It tells me that Southpaws were either avoided or far less common than they are today. This is a fact.

          The frequency of talented south paws have increased. Do the names of Usky and ( Olympic super heavy weight champion and world heavyweight champion in the ) Jalolov or Zhang ring any bells? Do they?




          It cannot tell you they were avoided lol, not without some conspiracy theory... It should tell you they are a rarity. The notion that a fighter would strive to avoid them, under Lewi' circumstances is kind of ridiculous.
          Last edited by billeau2; 07-10-2023, 11:22 AM.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Ivich

            Sanders was not ranked until near the end of 2003Johnson had his last fight in the summer of that year Hence no Sanders fight pretty simple to grasp really.

            Moorer sure could have campaigned for a fight with Lewis .have you any evidence that he ever did? Moorer was gone from the ratings by the end of 98
            Lewis was just hitting his prime then.
            The ratings were
            Title Vacant
            1 Holyfield
            2 Lewis
            3 Grant
            4 Moorer
            5 Briggs
            6 Byrd
            7.Ibeabuchi
            8Tua
            9 Golota
            10 Rahman

            Of those Lewis fought Holyfield x2 Grant,Briggs,Tua Golota,Rahman x2.
            He could have fought Moorer, supposing Moorer was interested in fighting him but there was never a compelling reason for him to do so.
            Lewis was I think first ranked in1991.
            Ruiz was not ranked until 2001 when he was no 7 above him were
            1 Wlad
            2.Tyson
            3 Byrd
            4 Rahman
            5Johnson
            6 Holyfield
            Lewis fought Tyson.Rahman,Holyfield
            Above him
            1 Wlad
            2 Byrd
            3Tua
            4 Holyfield

            Lewis fought Tua and Holyfield
            2003 Ruiz was ranked no7 but its not relevant because Lewis only fought once, a defence against the 4th ranked Vitali then he retired.

            So Ruiz was never ranked higher than 5th whilst Lewis was champ and Lewis defended and beat many of those ranked above Ruiz, men like Holyfield and Tua who both beat Ruiz.

            Conclusion there is no case to answer to the spurious charge that Lewis avoided Ruiz or Sanders.
            What does our brain child Z do? He sees that a few more fighters, in what was probably a rare occurence, where southpaws... and walla! That is a reason for lewis to avoid them! but just in case? lets move the goalpost because one of the fighters mentioned was not a southpaw! lol.

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              #46
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules

              - - While Lewie was fighting three rounders in pillows and headgear, Tyson mopped up the derelict Tubby Lar division for the first ever WBC/WBA/IBF/Ring Belts and did it in a spectacular cakewalk.

              Berbick mopped up Ali and fought them all too, so Berbick better than Lewie according to your criteria...
              And Lewis mopped up Tyson and continued beating the best fighters long after Tyson was seen as a threat. What's your point?

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              • mrbig1
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                #47
                Tyson ruled over a weak HW division. so did Larry Holmes. Lewis fought in a much tougher era. boxing has always had weak and strong eras.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Dr. Z


                  Any more? Did he fight any? You tell me!



                  https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...3#post31924385.

                  There you have it, he ducked Byrd.

                  And no fights with Southpaws Sanders, or Moorer. He not fight Hipp either.
                  He's not a southpaw though so obviously he didn't say what you said he said, which is the point here.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by JAB5239

                    And Lewis mopped up Tyson and continued beating the best fighters long after Tyson was seen as a threat. What's your point?
                    He doesn't have one,in fact his very existence here is "pointless."

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by mrbig1
                      Tyson ruled over a weak HW division. so did Larry Holmes. Lewis fought in a much tougher era. boxing has always had weak and strong eras.
                      Its true... People seldom look carefully at who Lewis fought. The list is very impressive bordering on some of the most competitive years in the division: Shannon Briggs (when he was a young lion) Golota, Tua, Ruddock, Holyfield (beat him twice), etc, etc...

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