Lennox Lewis vs the past and present Southpaws and Slick orthodox fighters.

[Ivich]

I don't know if he is left handed fighter who fought orthodox , do you? My point stands the he was a quick, tricky mobile type of fighter . Lewis did not fight those types. Lewis took Ocasio the distance in older years while other men such a Dokes and Gardner knocked him out in 1981. He tuned pro in 1976. Lewis fought him in 1990 by that time he was fat.

See the title of the thread. If you are stuck on southpaw, I mis-spoke. Lewis did not fight any! I think... I am no expert on Cassio, are you?

Yes I do, he was an orthodox fighter!

Does Ocasio look fat here?

(2) GREATEST ROUNDS IN BOXING HISTORY, Lennox Lewis vs Ossie Ocasio 1990 06 27 Boxing Fights - YouTube

[Ivich]

Well, was he a neutral lefty? Do you know? He was certainly mobile and defensive. The type Lewis avoided. Maybe Lewis fought 0 southpaws than by design.

Here is a good post, not mine on converted Southpaws.




That is gold.

What is a NEUTRAL LEFTY?

If it's a good post we know it isn't yours,you don't have to tell us! lol

[Ivich]

He only fought 1 south paw, a small cruiser weight sized guy named Ossie Ocasio who had a career record or 23-12-1. He took him the distance wining 80-77. It was a reasonably close fight, and that is it. He said he would not fight anymore south paws. He did not fight and tricky skilled orthodox fighters either like say James Toney, or Jonh Ruiz whom he dropped a belt rather than face.

No fights vs. Chris Byrd either or Corrie Sanders either. At they very least there is some smoke here. Perhaps a fire.

Thoughts?

Which slick orthodox boxers, ranked at the same time as Lewis,did Lewis avoid?
John,[not Jonh] , Ruiz was tricky and skilled? Was he? I thought he was a mauling clincher who stunk the joint out on several occasions.
Lewis did not fight Ruiz but he did fight, and comfortably outpoint David Tua ,who ko'd Ruiz in1 round.

[Dr. Z]

Which slick orthodox boxers, ranked at the same time as Lewis,did Lewis avoid?
John,[not Jonh] , Ruiz was tricky and skilled? Was he? I thought he was a mauling clincher who stunk the joint out on several occasions.
Lewis did not fight Ruiz but he did fight, and comfortably outpoint David Tua ,who ko'd Ruiz in1 round.

John Ruiz has a good jab, and could move bit. And he could clinch and rule bend as well with anyone.

Lewis proved he could beat a very short Tua, who has usually short arms and next to no foot speed. Tua did not try hard to win that match IMO,

Tua is not a slick orthodox fighter! Stick to the topic. DUH.

Lewis avoided all southpaws ( Did he fight any? ) and did not fight any slick orthodox fighters either of significance.

In my judgment Lewis a top 5 heavyweight of all time both the amount of top 10 Ring magazine opponents beaten and head to head. That's what I think of him so don't lie me. It's what you're best at.

[Ivich]

John Ruiz has a good jab, and could move bit. And he could clinch and rule bend as well with anyone.

Lewis proved he could beat a very short Tua, who has usually short arms and next to no foot speed. Tua did not try hard to win that match IMO,

Tua is not a slick orthodox fighter! Stick to the topic. DUH.

Lewis avoided all southpaws ( Did he fight any? ) and did not fight any slick orthodox fighters either of significance.

In my judgment Lewis a top 5 heavyweight of all time both the amount of top 10 Ring magazine opponents beaten and head to head. That's what I think of him so don't lie me. It's what you're best at.

I asked you which slick ,orthodox boxers Lewis avoided? You haven't replied,that is avoidance!
Tua has a 72 in reach that isn't unusually short for his 5 feet 10 height.
Lewis is proven against squat sluggers like Tua,Butler fast handed ****ers like Tyson,good boxers like Tucker,power punchers like Ruddock,Morrison,Bruno,,tall boxer punchers like Vitali ,Grant,implacably relentless boxer punchers like Holyfield,strong hard hitting in your face guys like Mercer Briggs.Mason,Rahman
He has one of the most comprehensively rounded resumes of any heavyweight champion,and now he has a hating fool ,trying his best with lies and inaccuracies to tear him down.
Fortunately the serious posters here have ripped your comments to shreds! lol

[billeau2]

John Ruiz has a good jab, and could move bit. And he could clinch and rule bend as well with anyone.

Lewis proved he could beat a very short Tua, who has usually short arms and next to no foot speed. Tua did not try hard to win that match IMO,

Tua is not a slick orthodox fighter! Stick to the topic. DUH.

Lewis avoided all southpaws ( Did he fight any? ) and did not fight any slick orthodox fighters either of significance.

In my judgment Lewis a top 5 heavyweight of all time both the amount of top 10 Ring magazine opponents beaten and head to head. That's what I think of him so don't lie me. It's what you're best at.

You might want to look at the heavyweight division and find how many Southpaws are in the division at any given time. Heres a hint:

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

You want a correlation? WHAT DOES THIS FACT ABOVE tell you about the frequency of Southpaws in the division?

[Ivich]

You might want to look at the heavyweight division and find how many Southpaws are in the division at any given time. Heres a hint:

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+...e&ie=UTF-8

You want a correlation? WHAT DOES THIS FACT ABOVE tell you about the frequency of Southpaws in the division?

During Lewis' pro career,1989-2003, using the end of year ratings 3 southpaws made the top ten .
Moorer 92 -98,
Byrd 98,2000,2001,2002, 2003.
Sanders 2003.
Is there any evidence that Moorer wanted or pursued a fight with Lewis? Is there any evidence that Lewis avoided him?

Byrd was ranked no6 at the end of 98 Lewis fought the no5 ranked Briggs.

Bryd was ranked no 10 in 2000.Lewis fought the no5 ranked Tua,and the no 2 ranked Grant.

Byrd was ranked no 3 in 2001 Champion Lewis defended against Rahman no4 who ko'd him. He then kod champion Rahman in the rematch.
Byrd was ranked no2 in 2002 Lewis defended against no 9 Tyson.

Byrd was ranked no 2 in 2003 Lewis was to have defended against no 8 Johnson,Johnson fell out and Lewis defended against no 7 ranked Vitali. Then retired
Louis had beaten 5 of the current top ten when he called it a day.
How many of the current top ten has Fury beaten?
How many top ten ranked opponents did he beat?
Ditto Wilder
Ditto Joshua.
Lewis is known for re matching and defeating the only 2 men to have beaten him .

More relevant questions might have been why didn't Vitali rematch Byrd?

Why didn't Wlad rematch Sanders?

[Dr. Z]

I asked you which slick ,orthodox boxers Lewis avoided? You haven't replied,that is avoidance!
Tua has a 72 in reach that isn't unusually short for his 5 feet 10 height.
Lewis is proven against squat sluggers like Tua,Butler fast handed ****ers like Tyson,good boxers like Tucker,power punchers like Ruddock,Morrison,Bruno,,tall boxer punchers like Vitali ,Grant,implacably relentless boxer punchers like Holyfield,strong hard hitting in your face guys like Mercer Briggs.Mason,Rahman
He has one of the most comprehensively rounded resumes of any heavyweight champion,and now he has a hating fool ,trying his best with lies and inaccuracies to tear him down.
Fortunately the serious posters here have ripped your comments to shreds! lol

Lewis avoided the slick fighter and the southpaws! That's why I can not answer your question you dope! He DID NOT FIGHT ANY. But there are plenty of names.

Southpaws: Sanders, Bryd, Moorer and Hipp. Ranked men who all were title bout opponents.

And good / slick / difficult boxer types such as Ruiz, Byrd, and Toney. Sorry Holyfield was not tricky. Maybe dirty! Which could be a reason why Lewis wore his cup guard very high to protect himself for body shots. That was shameful.

Lewis dropped belts or did not fight any of these men. Now can you name a southpaw or tricky fighter greater than Ocasio (that 5'11 1/2 former crusier weight with a short reach ) who Lewis struggled with and took the distance?

Notice how you don't directly answer my questions? The other posters can't help you.

[Dr. Z]

During Lewis' pro career,1989-2003, using the end of year ratings 3 southpaws made the top ten .
Moorer 92 -98,
Byrd 98,2000,2001,2002, 2003.
Sanders 2003.
Is there any evidence that Moorer wanted or pursued a fight with Lewis? Is there any evidence that Lewis avoided him?

Byrd was ranked no6 at the end of 98 Lewis fought the no5 ranked Briggs.

Bryd was ranked no 10 in 2000.Lewis fought the no5 ranked Tua,and the no 2 ranked Grant.

Byrd was ranked no 3 in 2001 Champion Lewis defended against Rahman no4 who ko'd him. He then kod champion Rahman in the rematch.
Byrd was ranked no2 in 2002 Lewis defended against no 9 Tyson.

Byrd was ranked no 2 in 2003 Lewis was to have defended against no 8 Johnson,Johnson fell out and Lewis defended against no 7 ranked Vitali. Then retired
Louis had beaten 5 of the current top ten when he called it a day.
How many of the current top ten has Fury beaten?
How many top ten ranked opponents did he beat?
Ditto Wilder
Ditto Joshua.
Lewis is known for re matching and defeating the only 2 men to have beaten him .

More relevant questions might have been why didn't Vitali rematch Byrd?

Why didn't Wlad rematch Sanders?

To answer you question Lewis avoided both Ruiz and Bryd. He did not face the southpaw Sanders either, but he sure mentioned his name to the press. Do you pay attention to belts he gave them, rather than fight them? He was not promoting them.

I do not know why he never fight the southpaw Morrer, but he sure could have.

Today's heavyweight are a total jokes! I have been consistent in saying that. Fury is a PED cheating fraud and Wilder is well... they fight the old, not in shape or not very good. Lewis is levels above those fighters.

Wlad was going to fight the older Sanders but lost and retired. His brother due to marketing and ratings fought him next him if you can remember.

[Dr. Z]

You might want to look at the heavyweight division and find how many Southpaws are in the division at any given time. Heres a hint:

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

You want a correlation? WHAT DOES THIS FACT ABOVE tell you about the frequency of Southpaws in the division?

It tells me that Southpaws were either avoided or far less common than they are today. This is a fact.

The frequency of talented south paws have increased. Do the names of Usky and ( Olympic super heavy weight champion and world heavyweight champion in the ) Jalolov or Zhang ring any bells? Do they?