Nice Sporting Humanitarian Speech From Jim Jeffries

[JAB5239]

- When Hart humiliated JJohnson, Jeffries refused to fight either saying neither were worth fighting. That's when he retired, but go ahead and say he was ducking Hart if it can get your minder to change your Barney BigBoys.

Why dis Jeffries get to say who was worth fighting and who wasn't if that was left up to every champion that would all have a scapegoat to not fighting the most dangerous fights. He didn't want to chance losing to a black man, plain and simple.

[Ivich]

- When Hart humiliated JJohnson, Jeffries refused to fight either saying neither were worth fighting. That's when he retired, but go ahead and say he was ducking Hart if it can get your minder to change your Barney BigBoys.

Hart humiliated Johnson? You need to read the round by round fight reports

[Willie Pep 229]

Why dis Jeffries get to say who was worth fighting and who wasn't if that was left up to every champion that would all have a scapegoat to not fighting the most dangerous fights. He didn't want to chance losing to a black man, plain and simple.

Yea but it was the way it was done.

Jeffries was doing no different than Johnson for that matter. Jeffries was doing what every HW Champion who proceeded and follwed him, did.

It is not until the creation of the NYSAC (1920) does the concept of a mandatory contender even come into existance.

And then Dempsey was still too powerful for the NYSAC to force his hand and had to back off.

Tunney then went on to pick his own easy defense and retired.

This was the NYSAC's opportunuty.

It wasn’t until the 'tournament' which ended in Schmeling winning the HW Title by foul and therefore needed NYSAC recognition, did the the NYSAC commission truly began to 'control' (or at least influence) title fights.

Jeffries was doing what champions did in 1909.

[Ivich]

Yea but it was the way it was done.

Jeffries was doing no different than Johnson for that matter. Jeffries was doing what every HW Champion who proceeded and follwed him, did.

It is not until the creation of the NYSAC (1920) does the concept of a mandatory contender even come into existance.

And then Dempsey was still too powerful for the NYSAC to force his hand and had to back off.

Tunney then went on to pick his own easy defense and retired.

This was the NYSAC's opportunuty.

It wasn’t until the 'tournament' which ended in Schmeling winning the HW Title by foul and therefore needed NYSAC recognition, did the the NYSAC commission truly began to 'control' (or at least influence) title fights.

Jeffries was doing what champions did in 1909.

Promoters were there for a Jeffries v Johnson fight,and a Jeffries v McVey fight.

Jeffries still claimed he was the champion when he challenged Johnson.

[JAB5239]

Yea but it was the way it was done.

Jeffries was doing no different than Johnson for that matter. Jeffries was doing what every HW Champion who proceeded and follwed him, did.

It is not until the creation of the NYSAC (1920) does the concept of a mandatory contender even come into existance.

And then Dempsey was still too powerful for the NYSAC to force his hand and had to back off.

Tunney then went on to pick his own easy defense and retired.

This was the NYSAC's opportunuty.

It wasn’t until the 'tournament' which ended in Schmeling winning the HW Title by foul and therefore needed NYSAC recognition, did the the NYSAC commission truly began to 'control' (or at least influence) title fights.

Jeffries was doing what champions did in 1909.

Shouldn't the same standards be held for every champion? I don't give Johnson a pass for the fighters he should have fought while champion. I don't think you do either. But if that is the way it was done, than how do we hold any fighter accountable?

[Willie Pep 229]

Shouldn't the same standards be held for every champion? I don't give Johnson a pass for the fighters he should have fought while champion. I don't think you do either. But if that is the way it was done, than how do we hold any fighter accountable?

I don't know. I struggle with that.

[JAB5239]

I don't know. I struggle with that.

I have to believe we all do with certain fighters. It just is what it is.

[markusmod]

No, that guy needs the interaction/controversy to get his site going. Do a friend a favor and disagree with him.

Not sure why I got a chuckle out of this

[QueensburyRules]

Hart humiliated Johnson? You need to read the round by round fight reports

- - Ref warned him repeatedly for holding and not fighting, thus giving Hart the fight for forcing what fighting that occurred.

This was his signature moment where if JJohnson beats Hart who ended up with Jeffries title any way, it would force Jeff to admit it was time to fight JJohnson.

Johnson stunk as a fighter, was widely disparaged unlike Langford, Jeannette, and Wills who were adored.

Them French fried snails you been scarfing making you into a French Farce.

[markusmod]

I have to believe we all do with certain fighters. It just is what it is.

Jab makes a point!