Earnie Shavers, hardest puncher of all times?

[crimsonfalcon07]

There was a lot of bag work on that video. What did you do, watch one portion? While you try to explain something maybe I should explain physics to you. When you stop the momentum of a bag or reverse it, that equates to power, as long as you do not guide it.

Yeah, you missed the point. There's a difference between penetrating punches and pushing. If you don't understand that, there's not really much more to be said to you. This stuff is really really basic. We can talk more when you understand the difference between pushing and punching. Pretty much any decent boxing (or striking) coach will tell you that if the bag starts swinging a bunch when you're doing power work, that's an indication of bad technique. Your poor discussion of Newton's third law doesn't really enter into this.

[QueensburyRules]

At heavy I think there’s no doubt. Ali said he hit hardest without hesitation and he was in with Liston, foreman, Frazier, Lyle. Brutal punchers.

pound for pound I’m going Julian Jackson. Never seen knockouts like his. People instantly asleep.

- - Big George the one who wrecked Ali permanently. Did the same with Field…

[automaton89]

At heavy I think there’s no doubt. Ali said he hit hardest without hesitation and he was in with Liston, foreman, Frazier, Lyle. Brutal punchers.

pound for pound I’m going Julian Jackson. Never seen knockouts like his. People instantly asleep.

Julians power is overrated. He has one or two kos, the rest are tkos

[them_apples]

- - Big George the one who wrecked Ali permanently. Did the same with Field…

Nah that would be Frazier and Shavers. George beat up Alis arms and hips, bruising and swelling - nothing more

[QueensburyRules]

A couple of observations. 1. Ruiz didn't come close to knocking OUT Luis Ortiz. Indeed, a razor thin fight. 2. Julian Jackson didn't have heavyweight power, as he wasn't a heavyweight. 3. Woman are indeed attracted to power. Of course, we all knew that.
My stock answer generally makes mention of the usual suspects like Fulton, Dempsey, Godfrey, Baer, Louis, Murray, Marciano, Satterfield, Liston, Williams, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Tyson, etc.

However, someone mentioned that the pick should go to a very modern heavyweight who routinely blows away the bigger heavyweights of the current century; and that distinction belongs to Deontay Wilder exclusively.
43-2-1 with 42 knockouts, 8 years at the top of the profession, 10 title fight wins, Olympic medalist, 2nd best of his generation and a draw and 4 knockdowns scored againt the 1st best.
Among the most modern-day heavyweights, Wilder stands completely alone as the biggest hitter.

Like all fighters, Wilder receives plenty of undue criticism from fans who wouldn't have what it takes to step into a ring against someone they didn't know who's there to feed their family; but my perception of them all is that they commonly operate with considerably less boxing knowledge than they perceive themselves as having, which is an easy thing to spot.

- - TBA WBC propped up Deyonce with Haymon the guru who knew U would fall for the schtick...

[Ben Bolt]

Julians power is overrated. He has one or two kos, the rest are tkos

TKOs in boxers’ records can be misleading.
Often, when a fighter is knocked out cold, it’s ruled a TKO because the referee didn’t bother to fulfill the count.
Which I never liked, it doesn't tell the truth about the ending.

[automaton89]

Right! Force can be measured in any metric, but the only metric that matters in boxing is efficacy. That comes from a lot of training and technique, which is hella lot more than plain old F=MA. Such as accuracy, surprise and positioning to name a few. That is why boxers in training want to punch at moving targets. A wall bag is probably a better tool to build power. Power is actually the amount of work you get out of the applied force in the chosen metric of time.

In boxing we use power and force interchangeably, which is OK because we all know what we all mean. I never feel uncomfortable with either term in boxing usage.

What I have never seen and would now love to see are the graphs of punch travel-time acceleration for all types of punches. Do any accelerate straight to the end? Do all? How steeply? Trainers say punch through the target. They do not want any de-acceleration, among other advantages.

As you implied for boxing, ask not only what you can get into a punch but what you can get out of it.

It boils down to power no matter how you slice and dice it. There's no mystery. The more leverage you put into a punch, the greater the penetration. This can only be accomplished by doing two straight forward things : lean forward and twist.

The only remaining variable is speed, and of course the arm used for the punch.

[automaton89]

TKOs in boxers’ records can be misleading.
Often, when a fighter is knocked out cold, it’s ruled a TKO because the referee didn’t bother to fulfill the count.
Which I never liked, it doesn't tell the truth about the ending.

Watch them. He rarely koed clean

[QueensburyRules]

TKOs in boxers’ records can be misleading.
Often, when a fighter is knocked out cold, it’s ruled a TKO because the referee didn’t bother to fulfill the count.
Which I never liked, it doesn't tell the truth about the ending.

- - Yup, just a host of dozens of ways that Boxing throughout it's dubious history is unable to create cognizant, enforceable rules with legitimately trained people to enforce them, the Red Light District of Pro Sports.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Yup, just a host of dozens of ways that Boxing throughout it's dubious history is unable to create cognizant, enforceable rules with legitimately trained people to enforce them, the Red Light District of Pro Sports.

Well, the only longstanding professional sport that isn't a game or a stunt, for sure.