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[Willie Pep 229]

>>>> Enough times to metion them in his book. Siler was the ref in a Johnson fight but , died in June 1908 so ofcusrse he did not see him as champion in Dec 1908! He did however see him as colored champion. He knew Johnson personally to you dolt. WRONG Siler refereed Jackson too before his took some time off and became sick.

When you talk real facts and quit playing your pro Johnson agenda, come talk to me. Until then on this topic is is:

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Siler never refereed either Johnson or Jackson you cretin!

Below is Siler's record as a third man.

BoxRec: George Siler



Go away you silly ****,you haven't the sense of a chocolate mouse![/QUOTE]

One hell of a resume!

236 fights in less than ten years, with it being a full-time job for three years. ('97-'99)

Can we call this guy the first true professional referee? I.e. Someone who made his living off refereeing fights?

Even today that is rare.

[Ivich]

Siler never refereed either Johnson or Jackson you cretin!

Below is Siler's record as a third man.

BoxRec: George Siler



Go away you silly ****,you haven't the sense of a chocolate mouse!

One hell of a resume!

236 fights in less than ten years, with it being a full-time job for three years. ('97-'99)

Can we call this guy the first true professional referee? I.e. Someone who made his living off refereeing fights?

Even today that is rare. [/QUOTE]
Yes he was considered the premier referee of his day
.His last job was Marvin Hart v Mike Schreck.

[Dr. Z]

Siler never refereed either Johnson or Jackson you cretin!

Below is Siler's record as a third man.

BoxRec: George Siler



Go away you silly ****,you haven't the sense of a chocolate mouse!

One hell of a resume!

236 fights in less than ten years, with it being a full-time job for three years. ('97-'99)

Can we call this guy the first true professional referee? I.e. Someone who made his living off refereeing fights?

Even today that is rare. [/QUOTE]

>>> Siler was the 3rd man in the ring with Jack Johnson at least once in a battle Royal fight, where official records were seldom kept. But such information is not on Box Rec! So you don't know about that.

[Ivich]

One hell of a resume!

236 fights in less than ten years, with it being a full-time job for three years. ('97-'99)

Can we call this guy the first true professional referee? I.e. Someone who made his living off refereeing fights?

Even today that is rare.

>>> Siler was the 3rd man in the ring with Jack Johnson at least once in a battle Royal fight, where official records were seldom kept. But such information is not on Box Rec! So you don't know about that.[/QUOTE]
Silers aubiography does NOT mention him ever refereeing Johnson not in the chapter on Johnson beginning on page111, not on any page of the book!
Prove Siler ever refereed Johnson in any capacity.

While you are at it prove Siler refereed a Jackson fight!


1.If no records were kept of battle royals how can you know Siler refereed Johnson in one?
2.There is no record of Siler ever refereeing a battle royal.
Johnson turned pro in1897 lets assume he had some battle royals before that let us say 3 years previously say back to 1894
Siler was refereeing world title matches for champions like Tommy Ryan as early as 1891!
By1895 Siler was refereeing such notable boxers as; Ryan,Fitzsimmons,Maher,Choynski,Barry, and Creedon. In short he was a top referee already in high demand.
Why would he be concerning himself with officiating as the third man at battle Royals between unknown coloured kids?
Inescapable Conclusion.
You are a barefaced LIAR!
As four posters over on Classic Boxing named you in the past!

[Dr. Z]

>>> Siler was the 3rd man in the ring with Jack Johnson at least once in a battle Royal fight, where official records were seldom kept. But such information is not on Box Rec! So you don't know about that.

Silers aubiography does NOT mention him ever refereeing Johnson not in the chapter on Johnson beginning on page111, not on any page of the book!
Prove Siler ever refereed Johnson in any capacity.

While you are at it prove Siler refereed a Jackson fight!


1.If no records were kept of battle royals how can you know Siler refereed Johnson in one?
2.There is no record of Siler ever refereeing a battle royal.
Johnson turned pro in1897 lets assume he had some battle royals before that let us say 3 years previously say back to 1894
Siler was refereeing world title matches for champions like Tommy Ryan as early as 1891!
By1895 Siler was refereeing such notable boxers as; Ryan,Fitzsimmons,Maher,Choynski,Barry, and Creedon. In short he was a top referee already in high demand.
Why would he be concerning himself with officiating as the third man at battle Royals between unknown coloured kids?
Inescapable Conclusion.
You are a barefaced LIAR!![/QUOTE

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"Taking part in one of the most humiliating creations of the Jim Crow era, the Battle Royal. A backroom spectacle in which six or eight or ten black boys often blindfolded, were set to punching one another while drunken white men jeered them on. The last one standing got the prize, usually, a fist full of tossed coins. Jack Johnson was often the last one standing." (PBS film; Unforgivable Blackness: Rise and fall of Jack Johnson)

• Referee George Siler, the man who is credited as "discovering" Jack Johnson, wrote about a battle royal featuring Jack Johnson as the ref.

"I went down to Springfield, Ill., about seven years ago to referee a series of glove contests, and the management, for a humorous opener, staged a battle royal in which six colored men, among them Johnson, took part. Jack was the last to enter the ring, and directly he did he landed one of his every-man-for-himself opponents a wallop on the jaw, dropping him as if shot. Two big blacks then sailed in after Johnson, who danced out of distance, and, before his opponents knew what had happened, they were on the floor, because they foolishly permitted their respective jaws to come in contact with Jack's right mitt. The other blacks thought of the old adage of: "He who fights and runs away will live to fight another day" and crawled out of the ring." (Inside facts on Pugilism)

No shut the F up you liar! There is your proof the Siler did ref a match a battle royal with Jack Johnson.


https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/question/2014/may.htm


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[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n31875929]
Silers aubiography does NOT mention him ever refereeing Johnson not in the chapter on Johnson beginning on page111, not on any page of the book!
Prove Siler ever refereed Johnson in any capacity.

While you are at it prove Siler refereed a Jackson fight!


1.If no records were kept of battle royals how can you know Siler refereed Johnson in one?
2.There is no record of Siler ever refereeing a battle royal.
Johnson turned pro in1897 lets assume he had some battle royals before that let us say 3 years previously say back to 1894
Siler was refereeing world title matches for champions like Tommy Ryan as early as 1891!
By1895 Siler was refereeing such notable boxers as; Ryan,Fitzsimmons,Maher,Choynski,Barry, and Creedon. In short he was a top referee already in high demand.
Why would he be concerning himself with officiating as the third man at battle Royals between unknown coloured kids?
Inescapable Conclusion.
You are a barefaced LIAR!![/QUOTE

>>>>



No shut the F up you liar! There is your proof the Siler did ref a match a battle royal with Jack Johnson.


https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/question/2014/may.htm


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Listen you ****** **** that is an extract from Siler's autobiography which I own.It says. I went down to referee some contests and as a curtain raiser a battle royal was put on which included Jack Johnson as one pf the opponents, in other words, a novelty act , it does NOT say Siler refereed it you JACK ASS!
It was from this event that Siler ,with the assistance of promoter/matchmaker Johnny Connors began championing Johnson as a potential star.

"I went down to Springfield Ill,about seven years ago to referee a series of gloved contests,and the management,for a humorous opener,staged a Battle Royal,in which six colored men,among them Johnson took part." Page112 Inside Facts On Pugilsm.George Siler.
Now explain how this translates into," I refereed Johnson? "
ps I'm still waiting for proof of the Jackson fight you stated Siler refereed.

Learning difficulties aren't in it with you are they!
You can't read, you can't write, and you certainly can't spell.
You stated Siler died in1905.
He didn't.
You stated Siler refereed Jackson.
He didn't.
You stated Siler refereed Johnson.
He didn't.
A liar has to have a good memory and have his wits about him.your memory is crap and you have no wits!

[Anthony342]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31875967]

Silers aubiography does NOT mention him ever refereeing Johnson not in the chapter on Johnson beginning on page111, not on any page of the book!
Prove Siler ever refereed Johnson in any capacity.

While you are at it prove Siler refereed a Jackson fight!


1.If no records were kept of battle royals how can you know Siler refereed Johnson in one?
2.There is no record of Siler ever refereeing a battle royal.
Johnson turned pro in1897 lets assume he had some battle royals before that let us say 3 years previously say back to 1894
Siler was refereeing world title matches for champions like Tommy Ryan as early as 1891!
By1895 Siler was refereeing such notable boxers as; Ryan,Fitzsimmons,Maher,Choynski,Barry, and Creedon. In short he was a top referee already in high demand.
Why would he be concerning himself with officiating as the third man at battle Royals between unknown coloured kids?
Inescapable Conclusion.
You are a barefaced LIAR!![/QUOTE

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No shut the F up you liar! There is your proof the Siler did ref a match a battle royal with Jack Johnson.


https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/question/2014/may.htm


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Listen you ****** **** that is an extract from Siler's autobiography which I own.It says. I went down to referee some contests and as a curtain raiser a battle royal was put on which included Jack Johnson as one pf the opponents, in other words, a novelty act , it does NOT say Siler refereed it you JACK ASS!
This was from this event that Siler ,with the assistance of promoter/matchmaker Johnny Connors began championing Johnson as a potential star.

"I went down to Springfield Ill,about seven years ago to referee a series of gloved contests,and the management,for a humorous opener,staged a Battle Royal,in which six colored men,among them Johnson took part." Page112 Inside Facts On Pugilsm.George Siler.
Now explain how this translates into," I refereed Johnson? "
ps I'm still waiting for proof of the Jackson fight you stated Siler refereed.

Learning difficulties aren't in it with you are they!
You can't read, you can't write, and you certainly can't spell.
You stated Siler died in1905.
He didn't.
You stated Siler refereed Jackson.
He didn't.
You stated Siler refereed Johnson.
He didn't.
A liar has to have a good memory and have his wits about him.your memory is crap and you have no wits!

Didn't know boxing had battle royals. So 5 guys fought each other at the same time? Sounds like a last man standing type of deal. I wonder if this is where pro wrestling got the idea.

[Willie Pep 229]

Maybe - but I suspect the whole damn preverse concept came out of the Roman Colosseum.

[Dr. Z]

[QUOTE=Anthony342;n31876708]

Didn't know boxing had battle royals. So 5 guys fought each other at the same time? Sounds like a last man standing type of deal. I wonder if this is where pro wrestling got the idea.

Yes, they stopped doing them. Siler officiated a match with Johnson in it. Multiple participated people fought in the " battle royal " sometimes more than 5. Some were blindfolded contestants, but the one I saw had no blindfolds.It was a 1920-1940's match.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Anthony342;n31876708]

Didn't know boxing had battle royals. So 5 guys fought each other at the same time? Sounds like a last man standing type of deal. I wonder if this is where pro wrestling got the idea.

Probably sometimes these exploited fighters would be blindfolded.
One legged contests were also put on,very tastefully I'm sure.