Joe Jennette vs. Jack Johnson 1913

[Ivich]

His first post on here was an anonymous news clipping from over 100 years ago. No author or writer name, no follow up articles about how or why the fights didn’t come off. Johnson was good at talking about fighting Jeannette, Langford and McVey while champion, but his actions spoke otherwise. Jeannette himself said he was denied a title shot by Johnson, but he is called a liar by Travy. He also calls Langford and McVey liars too. Everyone was a liar except for Jack Johnson, who was a proven liar. Lol.

The McMahon brothers offered Johnson $30,000 to defend against Jeannette over 10 rds in NY.Johnson signed for the fight.the fight was pulled by the NYAC,the chairman of which made a statement to the press saying Johnson would not be allowed to fight in the state and threatening with the suspension of the licence any promoter who attempted to put the fight on.
The NYAC even prohibited Johnson from boxing an exhibition for charity.The Commissions statement ,as well as that made by the McMahon's are included in the 2nd volume of Adam Pollacks biography on Jack Johnson.Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette on Sep 25th at the St Nicks arena NY,Johnson was guaranteed $25,00,plus 25% of everything over $60,000,plus a one half interest of the film rights.page 656. chapter 15. Included in that chapter is the NYAC prohibiting Johnson from defending his title against a white opponent ,the proposed white challenger was to have been Al Palzer. Johnson signed to defend against McVey and Langford in Sydney Australia for Hugh D McIntosh in a 2 fight deal with a $45,000 guarantee plus 4 rd trip tickets training expenses and a% of the film rights.When Johnson jumped bail and left the US,Australian public opinion and the antipathy of the church made the fight unviable and McIntosh made a public statement saying he was cancelling the fights fight. That's all in Pollack's book too .The information, the locations,the purses etc are all there for those that sincerely want to get informed on the subject ,but unfortunately there are a couple of posters here would do not want to be confronted with the verifiable documented facts, preferring to continue believe what suits them and reinforces their agendas,and refusing to accept primary sourced ,diligently researched evidence,because it does not jive with their own, long held prejudices.These posters will do as they wish, but they cannot say the truth,truth that refutes at every turn their own hates,is not not there for those willing to discover it!

[Ivich]

Blaming Jeannette or other posters the he didn't fight Johnson despite numerous offers in numerous locations is hypocrisy.

When can we see these numerous offers in these locations that Johnson refused once his price was met?
I must have asked you about thirty times to produce them by now?Still without any response from you

[GhostofDempsey]

The McMahon brothers offered Johnson $30,000 to defend against Jeannette over 10 rds in NY.Johnson signed for the fight.the fight was pulled by the NYAC,the chairman of which made a statement to the press saying Johnson would not be allowed to fight in the state and threatening with the suspension of the licence any promoter who attempted to put the fight on.
The NYAC even prohibited Johnson from boxing an exhibition for charity.The Commissions statement ,as well as that made by the McMahon's are included in the 2nd volume of Adam Pollacks biography on Jack Johnson.Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette on Sep 25th at the St Nicks arena NY,Johnson was guaranteed $25,00,plus 25% of everything over $60,000,plus a one half interest of the film rights.page 656. chapter 15. Included in that chapter is the NYAC prohibiting Johnson from defending his title against a white opponent ,the proposed white challenger was to have been Al Palzer. Johnson signed to defend against McVey and Langford in Sydney Australia for Hugh D McIntosh in a 2 fight deal with a $45,000 guarantee plus 4 rd trip tickets training expenses and a% of the film rights.When Johnson jumped bail and left the US,Australian public opinion and the antipathy of the church made the fight unviable and McIntosh made a public statement saying he was cancelling the fights fight. That's all in Pollack's book too .The information, the locations,the purses etc are all there for those that sincerely want to get informed on the subject ,but unfortunately there are a couple of posters here would do not want to be confronted with the verifiable documented facts, preferring to continue believe what suits them and reinforces their agendas,and refusing to accept primary sourced ,diligently researched evidence,because it does not jive with their own, long held prejudices.These posters will do as they wish, but they cannot say the truth,truth that refutes at every turn their own hates,is not not there for those willing to discover it!

You can keep posting that silly blurb until your fingers bleed. Johnson knew the fight couldn’t be made in NY. He always found a way out of fighting the three most competitive challengers. The year he took $1,000 to fight Battling Jim in Paris he turned down a $20K offer from Jeannette. That seals it for me, along with the testimony from Jeannette and Langford that they weren’t given a legit title shot. They were there, and they weren’t trying to sell newspapers.

[travestyny]

You can keep posting that silly blurb until your fingers bleed. Johnson knew the fight couldn’t be made in NY. He always found a way out of fighting the three most competitive challengers. The year he took $1,000 to fight Battling Jim in Paris he turned down a $20K offer from Jeannette. That seals it for me, along with the testimony from Jeannette and Langford that they weren’t given a legit title shot. They were there, and they weren’t trying to sell newspapers.

Why would Joe Jeannette and his manager put up forfeitures if it was known that the fight would not be allowed to happen? Do you really think that they, along with the promoters, are just throwing away money to help Jack Johnson? What sense does this even make????

[Willie Pep 229]

Why would Joe Jeannette and his manager put up forfeitures if it was known that the fight would not be allowed to happen? Do you really think that they, along with the promoters, are just throwing away money to help Jack Johnson? What sense does this even make????

Are you saying that Jeannette paid Johnson forfeit money when the NYSAC ruled against scantioning the fight?

I don't believe that happened.

Both fighters usually put of forfeit money, only to be paid if one of the fighters fails to meet the obligation.

I fail to understand your point.

Unless you are saying Jeannette actually PAID JJ forfeit money, how does Jeannette putting up a guarantee to appear, make your point, about who knew what, regarding the legal viability of the fight?

[travestyny]

Are you saying that Jeannette paid Johnson forfeit money when the NYSAC ruled against scantioning the fight?

I don't believe that happened.

Both fighters usually put of forfeit money, only to be paid if one of the fighters fails to meet the obligation.

I fail to understand your point.

Unless you are saying Jeannette actually PAID JJ forfeit money, how does Jeannette putting up a guarantee to appear, make your point, about who knew what, regarding the legal viability of the fight?

No.

I'm asking why would Joe Jeannette and his manager put up forfeiture money if the fight was known to be not possible in New York. This wouldn't be some secret that someone just told Johnson and only he knew about it.

And Johnson did in fact try to get the forfeiture money from the fight being called off. The McMahon brothers also put up a forfeiture. I don't know what the outcome was. All sides had money tied into the fight.

Madison Square Garden was close to getting the fight, and it was expected to be allowed as the media reported. Once it was accepted at the other venue, the fight was pulled. There was some speculation that somehow this played a part in the fight being canceled, but there was no indication that anyone was not expecting the fight to come off until the commission met and ruled on it.

[travestyny]

Are you saying that Jeannette paid Johnson forfeit money when the NYSAC ruled against scantioning the fight?

I don't believe that happened.

Both fighters usually put of forfeit money, only to be paid if one of the fighters fails to meet the obligation.

I fail to understand your point.

Unless you are saying Jeannette actually PAID JJ forfeit money, how does Jeannette putting up a guarantee to appear, make your point, about who knew what, regarding the legal viability of the fight?

Maybe this makes it clearer. Why would Billy Gibson, the matchmaker for Madison Square Garden, be pushing to get the fight there if it was impossible for the fight to take place in New York? It makes no sense.

With his history, it's easy to see this is more absolute bull**** from Ghostof because he hates Johnson. Any lie is good enough for him. Those of us who post in the lounge know why he does this.

The Lake County times. July 26, 1912

[Ivich]

You can keep posting that silly blurb until your fingers bleed. Johnson knew the fight couldn’t be made in NY. He always found a way out of fighting the three most competitive challengers. The year he took $1,000 to fight Battling Jim in Paris he turned down a $20K offer from Jeannette. That seals it for me, along with the testimony from Jeannette and Langford that they weren’t given a legit title shot. They were there, and they weren’t trying to sell newspapers.

Adam Pollack researched the attempts to make the fight ,if you have a problem with his diligently researched book, take it up with him. Both Jeannette and Johnson wanted the fight,both posted cash bonds that would be forfeit if either pulled out of the fight,These are established facts that your hatred will never get around.
Johnson's price for a defence was $,30,000 he turned down offers of $20,000 and $25 000 to defend against Jeanette for the McMahon's in the US and Vienne in Paris , when his price was met, as it was by the McMahons he signed .This is a matter of public record, as are the public statements made by all the parties concerned,including Jeannette's that he attached no blame to Johnson for the fights falling through.
I've no interest in trying to convert you to the truth,you cannot educate pork,no more than you can make a hater accept facts that directly contradict his opinion and blow the basis for his hatred out of the water.All I will do is to post primary sourced facts that make your ill informed hatred look ******,which is no great feat.
Johnson was destitute, when he signed for a tune up with Battling Jim,he had already agreed to defend against Moran later,and a chance to sharpen up the reflexes of his 35 years old body that had not fought for over a year and a half,on a respectable opponent,who held a win over Jeannette and a year later would draw with Langford, must have looked pretty inviting.
This must have escaped you but champions demand purses according to the dangerousness and abilities of their opponents.
A recent example would be Tyson Fury's exorbitant demand to fight Usyk,over 3 times what he accepted to fight Chisora,a much less tougher proposition.
Both Johnson and Jeannette posted cash forfeiture money to ensure they fight was to happen ,and Johnson traveled to NY to promote the fight.
Why would he do that if he knew the fight would not take place?
What would the McMahon brothers spend money renting MSG and St Nicks arenas and additional cash on publicity if they knew the fight was not ultimately going to take place?
Or is it your contention that only Johnson knew the fight would not happen?
As stated, you make no logical sense,you are just a hater ,blinded by your hatred, deaf, dumb ,blind to logical thought process and very ******. You and Dr Z make an excellent tag team!

[Ivich]

Are you saying that Jeannette paid Johnson forfeit money when the NYSAC ruled against scantioning the fight?

I don't believe that happened.

Both fighters usually put of forfeit money, only to be paid if one of the fighters fails to meet the obligation.

I fail to understand your point.

Unless you are saying Jeannette actually PAID JJ forfeit money, how does Jeannette putting up a guarantee to appear, make your point, about who knew what, regarding the legal viability of the fight?

He is saying both men put up forfeiture money,that the fight did not happen was the fault of neither,and so neither had to pay the other.

Surely that isnt so difficult to grasp?
This is verified in Pollack's 2nd volume Jack Johnson ,The Reign,whether you choose to believe it is entirely up to you.

[Willie Pep 229]

He is saying both men put up forfeiture money,that the fight did not happen was the fault of neither,and so neither had to pay the other.

Surely that isnt so difficult to grasp?
This is verified in Pollack's 2nd volume Jack Johnson ,The Reign,whether you choose to believe it is entirely up to you.

Surely that wouldn't be difficult to grasp but that's not what he said.

So why don't you go back and read the first remark he made and see what he actually said before calling me ******.