Where do you rank Vitaly Klitschko all time amongst heavyweights?

[Willow The Wisp]

Put Foreman just behind Wlad and move everyone else up.

I get that. Splitting hairs, really; that high up the list.
I promise that if Wladimir can wrap up that war and come back today ( he's 46 now ) and take the title off of Tyson Fury, I'll move him up! He will have surpassed Foreman for sure doing that.

[just the facts]

I get that. Splitting hairs, really; that high up the list.
I promise that if Wladimir can wrap up that war and come back today ( he's 46 now ) and take the title off of Tyson Fury, I'll move him up! He will have surpassed Foreman for sure doing that.

Wlad miles ahead of George already.

[Ivich]

- - ie:

Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
- - Lyle beat up Ali for umpteen rounds before getting stopped for the sin of ropadoping Ali that had Lyle almost tearing the ref a new one.

Young ran like a cat with a hot poker up his hole. George BTFO of him, so credit to Young being a survivor. George was going for the KO in the last round because DKing told him he had to KO Jimmy if he wanted the Ali rematch, so again credit to Jimmy to suddenly turn and catch him coming in. Jimmy also paid for the sin of ropadoping Ali who had exclusive rights to ropadoping.

And of course Ali demonstrably indicated repeatedly he weren't ever gonna give George another fight, so in effect George was fighting for nothing at all, half the reason he retired.


Vichy say~
I had Ali behind at the time of the stoppage ,but Lyle didn't beat him up that is nonsense.

• Judge: Art Lurie 45-46 Judge: Bill Kipp 43-49
• Judge: John Mangriciana 46-46

I say get some help. Plenty beat up Ali who became a glutton for punishment. To put it in Vit perspective, Vit a PhD speaking at least 3 languages and perhaps Ukraine's most exalted politician and leader. Nobody ever beat up Vit though Lewie using dark arts and lose wrapping tape sliced him up purt fair.

Yeah sure Queenie, Lyle beat the piss out of Ali the film of the fight is doctored.
Vitali's education and current political position are relevant to his standing as an all time heavyweight.
Just as much as Ray Robinson beating his wife up several time is to his as an all time middleweight .
Lennox would never have beaten Vitali without
1.Rubbing his head into his eyebrow.
2.Rubbing the laces over his face.
3.Loose tape lacerating Vitali's face.
These are obviously what caused the 3 cuts that required 68 stitches to close them.
4.Ali was terrified of Foreman that is an established fact.
Once again , on behalf of the forum, I thank you for your valuable insight. And,may I say, we look forward to another 25 years of it from you!

[Dr. Z]

Yeah sure Queenie, Lyle beat the piss out of Ali the film of the fight is doctored.
Vitali's education and current political position are relevant to his standing as an all time heavyweight.
Just as much as Ray Robinson beating his wife up several time is to his as an all time middleweight .
Lennox would never have beaten Vitali without
1.Rubbing his head into his eyebrow.
2.Rubbing the laces over his face.
3.Loose tape lacerating Vitali's face.
These are obviously what caused the 3 cuts that required 68 stitches to close them.
4.Ali was terrified of Foreman that is an established fact.
Once again , on behalf of the forum, I thank you for your valuable insight. And,may I say, we look forward to another 25 years of it from you!

Well, I plan to be here is 25 years. I will miss your input. Just think about it, there are so many future Eastern European types who will make excellent pro's in the amateur systems now and very good young current pro, prospects to hate, not to mention the future of boxing. Who will we count on to say they all suck who?

[Ivich]

Well, I plan to be here is 25 years. I will miss your input. Just think about it, there are so many future Eastern European types who will make excellent pro's in the amateur systems now and very good young current pro, prospects to hate, not to mention the future of boxing. Who will we count on to say they all suck who?

You should plan to be here in 25 years,because as we know, and JT confirmed the other day, there is zero chance you will ever be allowed back on Classic ESB!

In short you've nowhere else to go,and you would not be here if you could still post on there! lol

Find a post anywhere in which I said Eastern European fighters of any division suck? I have huge regard for the Klits as men and the way they carry themselves outside the ring . ditto Usyk.
However I am judging Vitali on his boxing record, not his Mayorship of Kviv. Just as I judge Robinson on his record as a fighter not as a husband ,ditto Joe Louis.
You are assuming I will die before you and chronologically the odds would be in favour of that,but things do not always pan out the way we /you expect .
If I die before you I can at least say I have had a full and happy life visited 24 countries,[going to Paris Wednesday,]have made lifelong friends and have wonderful relations,including an extended family of 5 kids and 8 grandchildren.
I've been about a bit and experienced some wonderful occasions.Seen some great artists in the flesh including;
James Stewart
Jack Lemmon
Ralph Fiennes
Sir Michael Gambon
James Earl Jones
Vanessa Redgrave
Janet McTeer
Kevin Spacey
Peter O Toole
Sian Phillips
Marlene Dietrich

Frank Sinatra
Tony Bennett
Barbra Streisand
Sarah Vaughn
Rod McKuen
Jack Jones
Liza Minelli
Lena Horne
Leonard Cohen
Stephane Grappelli
Buddy Rich
Nigel Kennedy
Johnny Mathis
Gloria Gaynor
Buddy Greco
So if it all ended tomorrow , I've had a good run.
I will not," go gentle into that good night."
Can you say the same?

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah sure Queenie, Lyle beat the piss out of Ali the film of the fight is doctored.
Vitali's education and current political position are relevant to his standing as an all time heavyweight.
Just as much as Ray Robinson beating his wife up several time is to his as an all time middleweight .
Lennox would never have beaten Vitali without
1.Rubbing his head into his eyebrow.
2.Rubbing the laces over his face.
3.Loose tape lacerating Vitali's face.
These are obviously what caused the 3 cuts that required 68 stitches to close them.
4.Ali was terrified of Foreman that is an established fact.
Once again , on behalf of the forum, I thank you for your valuable insight. And,may I say, we look forward to another 25 years of it from you!

- - Your words are not mine although you do have the facility of stating actual factual content in a fashion that diminishes the facts to a near zero point of relevance.

Clearly you're terrified of me, a gormund of grilled crisp bacon wrapped medium rare beef tenderloins and stuffed baked potatoes where you as a french fried snail snarfer pale in comparison...

[Marchegiano]

You should plan to be here in 25 years,because as we know, and JT confirmed the other day, there is zero chance you will ever be allowed back on Classic ESB!

In short you've nowhere else to go,and you would not be here if you could still post on there! lol

Find a post anywhere in which I said Eastern European fighters of any division suck? I have huge regard for the Klits as men and the way they carry themselves outside the ring . ditto Usyk.
However I am judging Vitali on his boxing record, not his Mayorship of Kviv. Just as I judge Robinson on his record as a fighter not as a husband ,ditto Joe Louis.
You are assuming I will die before you and chronologically the odds would be in favour of that,but things do not always pan out the way we /you expect .
If I die before you I can at least say I have had a full and happy life visited 24 countries,[going to Paris Wednesday,]have made lifelong friends and have wonderful relations,including an extended family of 5 kids and 8 grandchildren.
I've been about a bit and experienced some wonderful occasions.Seen some great artists in the flesh including;
James Stewart
Jack Lemmon
Ralph Fiennes
Sir Michael Gambon
James Earl Jones
Vanessa Redgrave
Janet McTeer
Kevin Spacey
Peter O Toole
Sian Phillips
Marlene Dietrich

Frank Sinatra
Tony Bennett
Barbra Streisand
Sarah Vaughn
Rod McKuen
Jack Jones
Liza Minelli
Lena Horne
Leonard Cohen
Stephane Grappelli
Buddy Rich
Nigel Kennedy
Johnny Mathis
Gloria Gaynor
Buddy Greco
So if it all ended tomorrow , I've had a good run.
I will not," go gentle into that good night."
Can you say the same?

Color me green with envy

[Ivich]

Color me green with envy

It wasn't meant as a boast H.H just to show I have used some of my time of this earth profitably Pal.

[Ivich]

- - Your words are not mine although you do have the facility of stating actual factual content in a fashion that diminishes the facts to a near zero point of relevance.

Clearly you're terrified of me, a gormund of grilled crisp bacon wrapped medium rare beef tenderloins and stuffed baked potatoes where you as a french fried snail snarfer pale in comparison...

Actually I've progressed from being rather irritated by you originally, to being pleasantly amused by your trolling posts,and long may they continue.

ps It's GOURMAND!

Stay well Q.

[Willie Pep 229]

You should plan to be here in 25 years,because as we know, and JT confirmed the other day, there is zero chance you will ever be allowed back on Classic ESB!

In short you've nowhere else to go,and you would not be here if you could still post on there! lol

Find a post anywhere in which I said Eastern European fighters of any division suck? I have huge regard for the Klits as men and the way they carry themselves outside the ring . ditto Usyk.
However I am judging Vitali on his boxing record, not his Mayorship of Kviv. Just as I judge Robinson on his record as a fighter not as a husband ,ditto Joe Louis.
You are assuming I will die before you and chronologically the odds would be in favour of that,but things do not always pan out the way we /you expect .
If I die before you I can at least say I have had a full and happy life visited 24 countries,[going to Paris Wednesday,]have made lifelong friends and have wonderful relations,including an extended family of 5 kids and 8 grandchildren.
I've been about a bit and experienced some wonderful occasions.Seen some great artists in the flesh including;
James Stewart
Jack Lemmon
Ralph Fiennes
Sir Michael Gambon
James Earl Jones
Vanessa Redgrave
Janet McTeer
Kevin Spacey
Peter O Toole
Sian Phillips
Marlene Dietrich

Frank Sinatra
Tony Bennett
Barbra Streisand
Sarah Vaughn
Rod McKuen
Jack Jones
Liza Minelli
Lena Horne
Leonard Cohen
Stephane Grappelli
Buddy Rich
Nigel Kennedy
Johnny Mathis
Gloria Gaynor
Buddy Greco
So if it all ended tomorrow , I've had a good run.
I will not," go gentle into that good night."
Can you say the same?

When you say in the flesh do you mean performing or just in their presence?