Duran vs Barkley should be studied for its mastery

[Hooded Terror]

Ok but let's use common sense here and decipher that obviously by "average" I'm talking in the sense of the elite level.

Obviously he's not literally average because you can't even be a professional fighter with a winning record if you're an average human being but that's not what we're talking about here, is it? We are talking about in the grand scheme on things.

In that sense Barkley is totally average. He lost to every half decent fighter he fought outside of Hearns.

How many Top 10 ranked fighters did he beat?

The point has been made. Common sense was used from the outset. You are a fun poster with many many good previous posts.

[IronDanHamza]

The point has been made. Common sense was used from the outset. You are a fun poster with many many good previous posts.

Thank you.

I do find it very telling that despite requesting close to ten times now, nobody wants to list the Top 10 ranked fighters Iran Barkley beat.

[GhostofDempsey]

Thank you.

I do find it very telling that despite requesting close to ten times now, nobody wants to list the Top 10 ranked fighters Iran Barkley beat.

His two wins over Hearns trumps any of Monzon’s wins. Monzon’s best win was a smaller Griffith who was better as a welter. Barkley’s wins over Hearns are also > Hopkins, Eubank Sr., Mugabi, GGG, Canelo, Best wins. Before you say I am calling Barkley greater than them, I’m talking about single greatest wins. But you think Hearns was shot at 30 but Torres was prime at 30 so there’s that.

[IronDanHamza]

His two wins over Hearns trumps any of Monzon’s wins. Monzon’s best win was a smaller Griffith who was better as a welter. Barkley’s wins over Hearns are also > Hopkins, Eubank Sr., Mugabi, GGG, Canelo, Best wins. Before you say I am calling Barkley greater than them, I’m talking about single greatest wins. But you think Hearns was shot at 30 but Torres was prime at 30 so there’s that.

Never said Hearns was shot. That's a lie.

Citing ages again now, aren't you? Pay attention little boy, try and keep up, haven't I explained this to you multiple times now?

One man could be totally finished by age 28 (Wilfred Benitez) and another could be just hitting their prime at 35 (Bernard Hopkins). Can you please make this easier for everyone and point out the part that you don't understand? So I can break it down as if I'm talking to someone like yourself who's obviously mentally handicapped.

Do you know who Wilfred Benitez is? Do you give Carlos Herrera credit for beating him? Because Benitez was 28 years old when he beat him.

Two years younger than Tommy Hearns was when he fought Barkley. Was Benitez passed it at that time? It's a very simple question, that you haven't answered after 2 times of asking. You think can do it on the third try?

[GhostofDempsey]

Never said Hearns was shot. That's a lie.

Citing ages again now, aren't you? Pay attention little boy, try and keep up, haven't I explained this to you multiple times now?

One man could be totally finished by age 28 (Wilfred Benitez) and another could be just hitting their prime at 35 (Bernard Hopkins). Can you please make this easier for everyone and point out the part that you don't understand? So I can break it down as if I'm talking to someone like yourself who's obviously mentally handicapped.

Do you know who Wilfred Benitez is? Do you give Carlos Herrera credit for beating him? Because Benitez was 28 years old when he beat him.

Two years younger than Tommy Hearns was when he fought Barkley. Was Benitez passed it at that time? It's a very simple question, that you haven't answered after 2 times of asking. You think can do it on the third try?

Yes you did, you only tried to walk back those claims when I pointed out how Torres was also 30 when Tiger beat him, lol.

Your Benitez analogy doesn’t apply here. Hearns and Torres were the same age and had roughly the same amount of fights in their respective careers.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes you did you only tried to walk back those claims when I pointed out how Torres was also 30 when Tiger beat him, lol.

I never once said Hearns was shot, or washed up. Quote where I did or shut your mouth.

Your Benitez analogy doesn’t apply here. Hearns and Torres were the same age and had roughly the same amount of fights in their respective careers.

It literally completely applies identically.

Do you know who Wilfred Benitez is? Do you give Carlos Herrera credit for beating him? Because Benitez was 28 years old when he beat him.

Two years younger than Tommy Hearns was when he fought Barkley. Was Benitez passed it at that time? It's a very simple question, that you haven't answered after 3 times of asking. You think can do it on the fourth try, little boy?

Answer the question, or shut your mouth.

[Willie Pep 229]

Maybe Benitez's fade should be viewd as an exception. Few start so young and were thrown to the wolves so quickly, as Benitez.

But I understand the general point. Age does not necessarily denote "past it" -- "finished" -- Etc.

I think Foreman II weathers Foreman I's early assault and outlasts him, stopping him late.

[IronDanHamza]

Maybe Benitez's fade should be viewd as an exception. Few start so young and were thrown to the wolves so quickly, as Benitez.

But I understand the general point. Age does not necessarily denote "past it" -- "finished" -- Etc.

I think Foreman II weathers Foreman I's early assault and outlasts him, stopping him late.

He's not the exception though because there's other examples, Erik Morales being an immediate one.

But yes you get the general gist, fighters age differently, we see it over and over and over again.

Fighter A could be 30, with 50 fights and in their prime whereas fighter B could be 30 with 50 fights and be shot.

And that's spectrum ranges far and wide.

The fact this even needs explaining honestly baffles me.

[kara]

He's not the exception though because there's other examples, Erik Morales being an immediate one.

But yes you get the general gist, fighters age differently, we see it over and over and over again.

Fighter A could be 30, with 50 fights and in their prime whereas fighter B could be 30 with 50 fights and be shot.

And that's spectrum ranges far and wide.

The fact this even needs explaining honestly baffles me.

I remember Morales putting in that legendary performance against Maidana, when everyone thought the fight was death sentence for Morales

[IronDanHamza]

I remember Morales putting in that legendary performance against Maidana, when everyone thought the fight was death sentence for Morales

I agree.

Even though Maidana won, Morales was way past it and too heavy yet he still put up a great fight.

I think Maidana probably took that fight lightly.