It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

[Slugfester]

Modern diets and gyms can replace a lot of milking cows and bucking hay. I agree that "most people," are softer in the age of AI robots. But I don't believe boxers are most people. Honestly, I can find no reason a modern ****** could not make you tough as hell and in many ways pave the way for a career in boxing.

Now, the young ****** boy needs a good trainer with a gym to get ready in. That is the model that made Manny Steward a multimillionaire. Of course, that was not within the last 25 years. Freddy Roach was though. That man was trained by the Smurf himself, so he must know something. Consider also his ledger of champions worked with.

All these things to convince you that a modern trainer can be well-studied and modern ******s can make people tough as hell, is a head scratcher. There is plenty of proof on the hoof 360° around us,sir.

But I like your letters and you certainly know how write one that stirs up a lot of discussion and snakes on and on. Keep up the good work.

[QueensburyRules]

Modern diets and gyms can replace a lot of milking cows and bucking hay. I agree that "most people," are softer in the age of AI robots. But I don't believe boxers are most people. Honestly, I can find no reason a modern ****** could not make you tough as hell and in many ways pave the way for a career in boxing.

Now, the young ****** boy needs a good trainer with a gym to get ready in. That is the model that made Manny Steward a multimillionaire. Of course, that was not within the last 25 years. Freddy Roach was though. That man was trained by the Smurf himself, so he must know something. Consider also his ledger of champions worked with.

All these things to convince you that a modern trainer can be well-studied and modern ******s can make people tough as hell, is a head scratcher. There is plenty of proof on the hoof 360° around us,sir.

But I like your letters and you certainly know how write one that stirs up a lot of discussion and snakes on and on. Keep up the good work.

- - Rap the easier road for ****** thugs these days. Most American fighters fight soft, hence they lost their global domination after 100 years of gloved boxing.

Guys like Spence and a Crawford, ect are the exception in being quite clever boxer/punchers and always show up in shape.

[them_apples]

Modern diets and gyms can replace a lot of milking cows and bucking hay. I agree that "most people," are softer in the age of AI robots. But I don't believe boxers are most people. Honestly, I can find no reason a modern ****** could not make you tough as hell and in many ways pave the way for a career in boxing.

Now, the young ****** boy needs a good trainer with a gym to get ready in. That is the model that made Manny Steward a multimillionaire. Of course, that was not within the last 25 years. Freddy Roach was though. That man was trained by the Smurf himself, so he must know something. Consider also his ledger of champions worked with.

All these things to convince you that a modern trainer can be well-studied and modern ******s can make people tough as hell, is a head scratcher. There is plenty of proof on the hoof 360° around us,sir.

But I like your letters and you certainly know how write one that stirs up a lot of discussion and snakes on and on. Keep up the good work.

I can think of so many reasons why a modern ****** would not prepare you for a life of boxing.

for starters the amount of guns on the streets pretty much eradicated street fighting altogether. And even culturally its just not as popular. People used to fight just for fun.

I know plenty of pros and guys that hit even the higher levels of boxing personally. Theres no way they are as tough or mean as a champ from the 30s. There is actually no comparison

[them_apples]

[QUOTE=Bundana;n31898254]

Several good points! Some that I agree with - and some that I don't.

However, you didn't answer my question: Which modern boxers could "hang" with the best old-timers? And by "modern", let's say, for the sake of argument, from the last 25 years!
And I don't mean if they were born into another "superior" era, where they grew up without smart phones, but with stronger chins and more heart - not to mention being taught by better trainers. No, let's pretend we time-machine these boxers as they are/were into the 1930s ... are there any "moderns", who would be able to hold their own against the elite level fighters from back then? Or would they all drown in a sea of superior talented fighters?

Let's get some specific names on the table!

Do you still not understand the point I was making about stronger chins? The way you worded it sounds like you still don’t get it. Please confirm

[them_apples]

[QUOTE=Bundana;n31898254]

Several good points! Some that I agree with - and some that I don't.

However, you didn't answer my question: Which modern boxers could "hang" with the best old-timers? And by "modern", let's say, for the sake of argument, from the last 25 years!
And I don't mean if they were born into another "superior" era, where they grew up without smart phones, but with stronger chins and more heart - not to mention being taught by better trainers. No, let's pretend we time-machine these boxers as they are/were into the 1930s ... are there any "moderns", who would be able to hold their own against the elite level fighters from back then? Or would they all drown in a sea of superior talented fighters?

Let's get some specific names on the table!

Yeah the best of the past would all dominate the best of today. I’d bet my life on it.

Robinson > Mayweather
Armstrong > loma
Hagler > Canelo
Foreman > Wilder

styles make fights and some might be closer than expected, but as a general comparison of elites

i could literally go on all night

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n31899657]

Yeah the best of the past would all dominate the best of today. IÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂd bet my life on it.

Robinson > Mayweather
Armstrong > loma
Hagler > Canelo
Foreman > Wilder

styles make fights and some might be closer than expected, but as a general comparison of elites

i could literally go on all night

- - Greater than has nothing to do with one on one fighting.

Yes, one on one Robby whoops l'l floydy, but more likely is ducked until the fight is two old guys where l'l floydy runs like a chicken and cops the orchestrated decision.

Armstrong a greater pro than Loma...DUH...has nothing to do with Loma having superior hand/foot speed and angles never seen before. Feather and LW favor Loma. Armstrong was a face first swarmer made to order.

Marv the greater middle champ, but Canelo more than just a middle champ. At middle, Marv never fought a LH that Canelo was in the ring. Do you even understand modern boxing?

Deyonce ain't never gonna fight George and nobody ever claimed he was great until you regurgitated your nonsense.

[Bundana]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n31899657]

Yeah the best of the past would all dominate the best of today. IÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂd bet my life on it.

Robinson > Mayweather
Armstrong > loma
Hagler > Canelo
Foreman > Wilder

styles make fights and some might be closer than expected, but as a general comparison of elites

i could literally go on all night

You're picking the absolute best from the old days - and match them with some modern fighters, that obviously aren't quite in their class. So we all know, who we will favour in these matches!

But that's not my question. What I mean, is this: Generally speaking, are there any modern fighters who, in your opinion, would be able to hold their own against the oldtimers, if we transporteted them back in time (as they are). For example, do you think any of today's heavyweights would make it into The Ring's Top-10 back in the 1930s... or would they all be crushed by the more experienced/tougher fighters from a superior decade?


As for the chin question: There's absolutely NO WAY anyone can possibly know, if the oldtimers had better chins than today's boxers! You don't know, I don't know, NOBODY knows... why is this so difficult for you to understand? Your claim that "most modern boxers have glass chins", may be the single strangest thing I've read on this forum!

[Slugfester]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n31899657]

Yeah the best of the past would all dominate the best of today. IÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂd bet my life on it.

Robinson > Mayweather
Armstrong > loma
Hagler > Canelo
Foreman > Wilder

styles make fights and some might be closer than expected, but as a general comparison of elites

i could literally go on all night

Gotta ask one question, actually two. Which Foreman is going to do the job on Wilder? The two Foremen never fought at the same time. There is an almost irresistible tendency it seems to combine the two Foremen in mythical matchups and AT ratings lists into the one Foreman he might have been, the one we feel almost sure he would have become if granted a rematch with Ali. To overcome Ali he would have had to grow enough to essentially combine the two Foremen much earlier in his career, going into his prime both physically and sagacity-wise, boxing-wise. Yes, he would have combined the two Foremen in his prime. But remember, he didn't. Or do you think both Foremen would dispose of the bronze one interchangeably?

[them_apples]

[QUOTE=Bundana;n31899716]

You're picking the absolute best from the old days - and match them with some modern fighters, that obviously aren't quite in their class. So we all know, who we will favour in these matches!

But that's not my question. What I mean, is this: Generally speaking, are there any modern fighters who, in your opinion, would be able to hold their own against the oldtimers, if we transporteted them back in time (as they are). For example, do you think any of today's heavyweights would make it into The Ring's Top-10 back in the 1930s... or would they all be crushed by the more experienced/tougher fighters from a superior decade?


As for the chin question: There's absolutely NO WAY anyone can possibly know, if the oldtimers had better chins than today's boxers! You don't know, I don't know, NOBODY knows... why is this so difficult for you to understand? Your claim that "most modern boxers have glass chins", may be the single strangest thing I've read on this forum!

Yeah, obviously some modern fighters could hold their own.

And some fights would be a roll of the dice.

and yes, there is no way we will ever know about who had the glass chins and who didn’t. That wasn’t my point. I made supporting statements that gave an example of why I think the older ranks had harder chins.

of course we won’t actually ever know. There are so many intangibles. Who knows, what if the sport is all mental and the physical stuff is just what the human eye picks up and decifers. Could be an invisible intangible like that.