Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Dr. Z]

You won’t find the Solis ranking in question in the magazine. As was discussed when this went round and round a couple months ago, Solis could only have been ranked online between issues. The research I did for Ring’s 100th only used print issues and I had to build my own database to do it. There’s no real archive of weekly updates made online over the last 20 years or so and Solis’s ranking didn’t last long enough to make it to the print version. I tried search archives and couldn’t find it but someone else did and Z sent it to me a while back.

So Z was right to recall it, wrong that it was in an actual issue, and I was right all along about where and how he might have been rated going into the fight without it falling into the parameters of my research.

THANKS Bat for tagging me into another round of this. Haha

Welcome back. Did you check all issues 4 months before the fight happen and during it? I recall you did not, and yes Soils was ranked in the magaizne in print when the fight happend, I'm telling you.

As I said one small error in an otherwise outstanding piece of work. No one has done research on the topic like you have.

Dr. Z.

[IronDanHamza]

You won’t find the Solis ranking in question in the magazine. As was discussed when this went round and round a couple months ago, Solis could only have been ranked online between issues. The research I did for Ring’s 100th only used print issues and I had to build my own database to do it. There’s no real archive of weekly updates made online over the last 20 years or so and Solis’s ranking didn’t last long enough to make it to the print version. I tried search archives and couldn’t find it but someone else did and Z sent it to me a while back.

So Z was right to recall it, wrong that it was in an actual issue, and I was right all along about where and how he might have been rated going into the fight without it falling into the parameters of my research.

THANKS Bat for tagging me into another round of this. Haha

Nice to hear from you mate.

Hope all is well.

[crold1]

Welcome back. Did you check all issues 4 months before the fight happen and during it? I recall you did not, and yes Soils was ranked in the magaizne in print when the fight happend, I'm telling you.

As I said one small error in an otherwise outstanding piece of work. No one has done research on the topic like you have.

Dr. Z.

This is why I exited the conversation last time: you're a belligerent ass. I opened up the issues preceding the fight, gave you on this board the cover dates, rankings dates, and page numbers. I have every issue from 1931 to final and a copy of every set of rankings since 1925. You don't.

You even have the online source that TELLS YOU when they added him to the their top ten via a weekly update someone found (and kudos; those aren't all stored anywhere easy to track) and that date falls between the issues I gave you previously.

He was not in the PRINT magazine prior to the Klitschko fight. Period. Move on.

[crold1]

Surely Johnson was ranked?? Weird if he wasn't.

What about Purrity? I haven't checked the whole thread, but there may be a slight chance he was ranked.

He was not. Johnson's last ranking in Ring was in the cover date June 2003/rankings date February 11, 2003 issue. He was ranked 8th. The issue prior to their fight, Vitali was rated 4th and leapt to first off the win over an unranked Johnson. I remember this distinctly because it was very early in me writing and one of the first things I railed on. Vitali moved to first off zero wins against Ring-ranked opponents and moved ahead of Byrd and Sanders who had them.

[crold1]

Nice to hear from you mate.

Hope all is well.

Likewise. The study had certain parameters that excluded some ranked wins for fighters (results had to be between a fighter’s first and last ranking in the magazine) but this fight wasn’t one of them. So like Joe Frazier had a win over Oscar Bonavena that didn’t result in his ring rated for several more months.

if you haven’t seen:
https://www.ringtv.com/634945-to-be-...rankings-10-1/

https://www.ringtv.com/article/to-be-the-best-intro/

https://www.ringtv.com/634216-to-be-...nkings-100-91/

[Dr. Z]

This is why I exited the conversation last time: you're a belligerent ass. I opened up the issues preceding the fight, gave you on this board the cover dates, rankings dates, and page numbers. I have every issue from 1931 to final and a copy of every set of rankings since 1925. You don't.

You even have the online source that TELLS YOU when they added him to the their top ten via a weekly update someone found (and kudos; those aren't all stored anywhere easy to track) and that date falls between the issues I gave you previously.

He was not in the PRINT magazine prior to the Klitschko fight. Period. Move on.

You did you did not check all the issues before via PM, and no I'm not being an @ss. If you have all the issues as claimed go ahead and look and take a photo of the rankings of all the fighters on the page with the dates below, from the months of 3-2011 when they were on the magazine stands and before. This is easy to do with camera phones. Keep in mind that the ring magazine runs about three months behind. This has nothing to do with the on line issues or their rankings, it is listed in black and white.

If you want to prove yourself right go ahead and do this! I'll be a man and admit as mistake, if will you. You made an error, its is no big deal. I listed two sources that you can read. Are they wrong? Stop hiding behind the on-line ranking which Soils was ranked at the time of the fight, and take the photo form the magazine that was on the new stand before fight and during it, two pictiures and prove it why don't you? Here is you chance to make me say I was mistaken. If you don't do this and have all RING Magazine issues ( I take our word ) we will both know why. Ie You are embarrassed for making tiny error. Like I said It's not big deal.

Despite calling me an arrogant @ss I view you pragmatically and like you.

[Bundana]

I think that was Kevin Johnson.

The one I found in my December 2009 Ring Magazine issue.

My bad... I must have mixed them up!

[IronDanHamza]

Likewise. The study had certain parameters that excluded some ranked wins for fighters (results had to be between a fighter’s first and last ranking in the magazine) but this fight wasn’t one of them. So like Joe Frazier had a win over Oscar Bonavena that didn’t result in his ring rated for several more months.

if you haven’t seen:
https://www.ringtv.com/634945-to-be-...rankings-10-1/

https://www.ringtv.com/article/to-be-the-best-intro/

https://www.ringtv.com/634216-to-be-...nkings-100-91/

I’m too old for this

I just go by what I did as a kid, if I open the latest magazine when the fights on and the guys ranked then that’s what I go with

[BattlingNelson]

He was not. Johnson's last ranking in Ring was in the cover date June 2003/rankings date February 11, 2003 issue. He was ranked 8th. The issue prior to their fight, Vitali was rated 4th and leapt to first off the win over an unranked Johnson. I remember this distinctly because it was very early in me writing and one of the first things I railed on. Vitali moved to first off zero wins against Ring-ranked opponents and moved ahead of Byrd and Sanders who had them.

Johnson was 8 hence top 10?

[crold1]

Johnson was 8 hence top 10?

Right, but much earlier in 2003. Not in the issue prior to Vitali or even within a couple issues. Jones-Ruiz/Sanders-Wlad changed the top ten in March so the Feb 2003 were Kirk’s last appearance