The Top-10 All Time Greatest P4P List

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Rank your top 10 with "good grammar". We all showed our lists. It's easy to criticize another person's thought by hiding your idea.

- - We already have a sticky top p4p with umpteem hundred responses. What, U too sissy to mix wif bigboys?

[JAB5239]

- - We already have a sticky top p4p with umpteem hundred responses. What, U too sissy to mix wif bigboys?

Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. You're terrified to post a list....it's been verified.

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- - We already have a sticky top p4p with umpteem hundred responses. What, U too sissy to mix wif bigboys?

There is a difference between 10 and 20. You know a bit math right?

Still waiting for your list.

[QueensburyRules]

There is a difference between 10 and 20. You know a bit math right?

Still waiting for your list.

- - Only difference solved by grade school subtraction, ie 20-10.

Get tutoring and go for it!

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- - Only difference solved by grade school subtraction, ie 20-10.

Get tutoring and go for it! (I am a coward who don't wanna revealing my top 10 list. I just trying to make excuses.)

Alright.

[BodyBagz]

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Your making excuses skills are top notch. May should have fought and beat them if he was really GOAT candidate. His resume would be much better than today automatically and wouldn't be based just only on his "0".



Lol at power. Canelo hits way harder than Hagler when both sit on their punches. In fact, Hagler's only better attribute were his stamina and output.

Canelo has ******ly top notch performances like Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Alfredo Angulo etc.. I rank him just behind Mayweather and RJJ in terms of peak in history.

Hagler couldn't land anything significant on him at 160. Never forget Canelo's peak was 160. He is lazier and lesser fighter at 168 with even lower output, worse legs and puffy body. And, still had top notch performances there. He is truly 154 lber who can make 160 without problem. Canelo by UD everyday.

In some instances, skill is skill, even if it's vs lame opposition (Holmes, RJJ). I would have include Mike T but his main skill was intimidation. Once his sad victim was all deer like, Mike was allowed to flaunt his ''hand speed'' and ferociousness. It was like Mike beating up a heavy bag.

IMHO, Holmes and RJJ had skills/athleticism enough to make them formidable opponents vs those with legit resumes. It is also MHO that Holmes, H2H, beats every HW that ever lived and RJJ > SRR, prime for prime.

Leaving emotions out of this next question, who do you think would have beaten May that he didn't fight ? And why blame him for those fights not happening ? Erik and Bererra who have gotten destroyed vs PBF. Ditto Casamayor. People love to mention Margarito and Williams. Of the 2, Willie would have posed the most difficulty.

Vs Margarito, what advantages would the sloth have ? Power is only good when it lands
One handed Clottey made Margarito look like a buffoon.
Big fcking deal May wouldn't have been able to hurt him. Winning is winning and it wouldn't have been close.
The only way Margarito lands a meaningful punch is if it was after the bell.
And don't even mention ''Maidana did great vs May !!!''
Maidana and Margarito don;' have the same technique.
Margarito is more ''methodical'' with his attacks whereas Maidana is full on rough house. Faster hands by far.

Willie's size could have posed a threat, however, Martinez is 5'10'' with 73'' reach.
May is a couple of inches shorter but same reach. TBF, Willie was his worst enemy.
He was so eager to land punches he smothered himself.
Slothrito was able to land 1000 punches and May is faster than Sergio.
Willie nor Margarito would have been considered guys who used their brain cells.

We will have to agree to disagree with the Nelo > Hagler topic
I'm a fan of both and there is no way of telling who's right.
It's not as if I said I'm a fan of Mayorga and he would crush Nelo and Hagler on the same night.
That is not a logical fantasy fight
Nelo vs Hagler winner is not a done deal, IMHO.

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[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31690817]

In some instances, skill is skill, even if it's vs lame opposition (Holmes, RJJ). I would have include Mike T but his main skill was intimidation. Once his sad victim was all deer like, Mike was allowed to flaunt his ''hand speed'' and ferociousness. It was like Mike beating up a heavy bag.

IMHO, Holmes and RJJ had skills/athleticism enough to make them formidable opponents vs those with legit resumes. It is also MHO that Holmes, H2H, beats every HW that ever lived and RJJ > SRR, prime for prime.

Leaving emotions out of this next question, who do you think would have beaten May that he didn't fight ? And why blame him for those fights not happening ? Erik and Bererra who have gotten destroyed vs PBF. Ditto Casamayor. People love to mention Margarito and Williams. Of the 2, Willie would have posed the most difficulty.

Vs Margarito, what advantages would the sloth have ? Power is only good when it lands
One handed Clottey made Margarito look like a buffoon.
Big fcking deal May wouldn't have been able to hurt him. Winning is winning and it wouldn't have been close.
The only way Margarito lands a meaningful punch is if it was after the bell.
And don't even mention ''Maidana did great vs May !!!''
Maidana and Margarito don;' have the same technique.
Margarito is more ''methodical'' with his attacks whereas Maidana is full on rough house. Faster hands by far.

Willie's size could have posed a threat, however, Martinez is 5'10'' with 73'' reach.
May is a couple of inches shorter but same reach. TBF, Willie was his worst enemy.
He was so eager to land punches he smothered himself.
Slothrito was able to land 1000 punches and May is faster than Sergio.
Willie nor Margarito would have been considered guys who used their brain cells.

We will have to agree to disagree with the Nelo > Hagler topic
I'm a fan of both and there is no way of telling who's right.
It's not as if I said I'm a fan of Mayorga and he would crush Nelo and Hagler on the same night.
That is not a logical fantasy fight
Nelo vs Hagler winner is not a done deal, IMHO.

I don't like your habit of disappearing for a week.

Mayweather would have been a favorite against any of the boxers I mentioned, but that doesn't stop Mayweather from having a better resume than he does today. If Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik etc.. were on his resume today, he could really be the #1 ATG claim. It's on my list, it's on your list, and it's on his/her list.. Basically he would have been people's hero. He missed that chance and you can't argue about that.

Canelo beats Hagler. Eye test says Canelo, skill set says Canelo, power says Canelo, ring IQ says Canelo. Landed punches would be close because of Hagler's work rate but at the end of the day Canelo would land much better punches.

Boxer Canelo is better than any boxer versions of Hagler.

Brawler Canelo is better than any brawler any brawler versions of Hagler.

Canelo is rare species.

He can move like oil against Jacobs and box his ears off in the middle of the ring.

He can move like tank and walk 6'3 Callum Smith down by beating him on the ropes all night long.

180° opposite styles but phenomenal performances and stats are the common thing.

Hagler was complete fighter. Canelo is more complete fighter.

[BodyBagz]

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I don't like your habit of disappearing for a week.

Mayweather would have been a favorite against any of the boxers I mentioned, but that doesn't stop Mayweather from having a better resume than he does today. If Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik etc.. were on his resume today, he could really be the #1 ATG claim. It's on my list, it's on your list, and it's on his/her list.. Basically he would have been people's hero. He missed that chance and you can't argue about that.

Fam time demands my presence
Not a fan of holiday gatherings, tbh.

I don't like how every fight that didn't happen is blamed on one person without links to prove that claim.
As I mentioned with most Fantasy Fight ''outcomes'', there is no correct answer since those finghts will never happen.
That doesn't mean we can ignore basic observations.
If boxer A is a PROVEN punch eater and boxer B is a PROVEN master boxer, it is safe to assume boxer B would be victorious if they fought.
Example -
Hatton vs Crawford. Most would ''rightfully'' pick Dud via utter annihilation.
Most would say no one needed to actually see that fight for the outcome to be assured.
PBF/May vs Erik, Barrera, Casa, Margarito....come on now.
I don't know why you mention Pavlik
Catchweight fight ?!?!?

Had PBF/May fought and beat those guys, haters would only find excuses for why he beat them.
Hell, MFers find ways of crediting Pac for beating the has beens he beat.

''Way to go, Pac !!!! Beat the brakes off of Rios and Broner !!!''

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[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31691934]

Fam time demands my presence
Not a fan of holiday gatherings, tbh.

I don't like how every fight that didn't happen is blamed on one person without links to prove that claim.
As I mentioned with most Fantasy Fight ''outcomes'', there is no correct answer since those finghts will never happen.
That doesn't mean we can ignore basic observations.
If boxer A is a PROVEN punch eater and boxer B is a PROVEN master boxer, it is safe to assume boxer B would be victorious if they fought.
Example -
Hatton vs Crawford. Most would ''rightfully'' pick Dud via utter annihilation.
Most would say no one needed to actually see that fight for the outcome to be assured.
PBF/May vs Erik, Barrera, Casa, Margarito....come on now.
I don't know why you mention Pavlik
Catchweight fight ?!?!?

Had PBF/May fought and beat those guys, haters would only find excuses for why he beat them.
Hell, MFers find ways of crediting Pac for beating the has beens he beat.

''Way to go, Pac !!!! Beat the brakes off of Rios and Broner !!!''

There will always be those who try to find excuses. However, a better resume will make their excuses more pathetic.

For example, there are those who still find excuses after Messi won WC 2022. But they look soooo pathetic right now.. The same logic applies in boxing.

[BodyBagz]

[QUOTE=Silence;n31692162]

There will always be those who try to find excuses. However, a better resume will make their excuses more pathetic.

For example, there are those who still find excuses after Messi won WC 2022. But they look soooo pathetic right now.. The same logic applies in boxing.

I guess....

The thing with May is the same with Nelo.
If they don't beat a prime HW, they ain't shlt.