The Top-10 All Time Greatest P4P List

[Silence]

[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31692164]

I guess....

The thing with May is the same with Nelo.
If they don't beat a prime HW, they ain't shlt.

I agree that May and Nelo have the biggest expectation in history of boxing "by margin". I rank Nelo 1st and May 2nd.

Peak expectation from Mayweather: Beating Golovkin at 160.

Peak expectation from Canelo: Beating Usyk at 200.

Pac is third tho. Peak expectation was beating Spence at 147.

[IronDanHamza]

These topics are near impossible most of the time.

Most consider a fighters resume to be the main measuring stick for things like this, and that makes sense. But it's then where we have the issue of fighters having little footage having great resumes.

The greatest or best fighters that I actually watched in with my two eyes live would be (In no order) ;

Floyd Mayweather
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones
Manny Pacquaio
Muhammad Ali
Carlos Monzon
Roberto Duran


But do any have a better resume than Harry Greb? No.

But from what I've seen I find it incredibly hard to invision Harry Greb beating Carlos Monzon. So, who should be ranked higher?

For me, with all things considered, resume, extensive footage, H2H ability etc the greatest two fighters I would rank #1 and #2 are;

Sugar Ray Robinson and Ezzard Charles. After that, it gets into too may grey areas.

[Ivich]

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Pep
8. Fitzsimmons
9. Pacquiao
10. R. Leonard

Damn good list!

[QueensburyRules]

- - Gotta give full credit where full credit is due here.

Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Pep
8. Fitzsimmons
9. Pacquiao
10. R. Leonard

My only exception would be subbing Sal Sanchez @10.

Better career record, better title record, better all around fighter and skills, and did it all @ age 23 before Leonard won his first title.

Jus da facts, ma'am...

[BodyBagz]

[QUOTE=Silence;n31692274]

I agree that May and Nelo have the biggest expectation in history of boxing "by margin". I rank Nelo 1st and May 2nd.

Peak expectation from Mayweather: Beating Golovkin at 160.

Peak expectation from Canelo: Beating Usyk at 200.

Pac is third tho. Peak expectation was beating Spence at 147.

Peak May wasn't even May, though. PBF was his best version by far.
PBF vs GGG could never have happened.
Ditto Pac.
WW Pac was just a name. Had the same amount of KO's as May
Explosive Pac vs PBF would have been both of their biggest expected fights.
Nelo vs Usyk can still happen if Nelo grows some ballz (and gain a bunch of weight).

[QueensburyRules]

[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31692988]

Peak May wasn't even May, though. PBF was his best version by far.
PBF vs GGG could never have happened.
Ditto Pac.
WW Pac was just a name. Had the same amount of KO's as May
Explosive Pac vs PBF would have been both of their biggest expected fights.
Nelo vs Usyk can still happen if Nelo grows some ballz (and gain a bunch of weight).

- - Do toetags in the morgue have what grade U was in?

GGG offered l'l floydy a 155 catchweight if he wanted his 6th title in the middlewts, or offered to come down to 154 for l'l floydy. Canelo during his Canelowt period also offered l'l floydy the same deal which was "no deal" because the l'l fella weren't game for it while in the middle of ducking Manny.

Canelo was just mouthing some stuff his echo chamber was mouthing. Bivol set him straight that LH is his limit at his very best.

Maybe U toetag say 3rd Grade Emeritus?

[Silence]

[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31692988]

Peak May wasn't even May, though. PBF was his best version by far.
PBF vs GGG could never have happened.
Ditto Pac.
WW Pac was just a name. Had the same amount of KO's as May
Explosive Pac vs PBF would have been both of their biggest expected fights.
Nelo vs Usyk can still happen if Nelo grows some ballz (and gain a bunch of weight).

I think it's open to debate that PBF is the best Mayweather. PBF had a more meaningful offensive skill set than Money and had a higher KO rate. But he was fighting more risky. Most of the solid punches he ate and got caught badly are in the PBF era. Money has clearly better defensive awareness.

If PBF had taken the risk and went to MW, he could have been lost by KO. Money wouldn't got knocked out. Maybe he could have lost by points.

Canelo gets KO'd by Usyk. If he had beaten Bivol and Beterbiev, he could have fought Usyk for ATG #1 place. And that (for all the silly size difference) would be easily the biggest fight in history. Because being a potential undisputed at 175 puts Canelo in the top 3 at least.

Canelo is unlucky because he has to run into H2H monsters like Bivol and Beterbiev. Usyk is another H2H beast. It's not just about size. It's about fighting against huge size difference+high level skill.

Canelo's athleticism peak was 154. He is a natural 154 lber who can make 160 without much problem. 168 is already out of Canelo's comfort zone. 175 is the shadow of Canelo. Canelo's body becomes like SpongeBob at 200.

I think Pac at his 147 prime slaps Spence and Crawford. But they expected that from 42 yo Pac. It's still incredible expectation.

[BodyBagz]

[QUOTE=Silence;n31693261]

I think it's open to debate that PBF is the best Mayweather. PBF had a more meaningful offensive skill set than Money and had a higher KO rate. But he was fighting more risky. Most of the solid punches he ate and got caught badly are in the PBF era. Money has clearly better defensive awareness.

If PBF had taken the risk and went to MW, he could have been lost by KO. Money wouldn't got knocked out. Maybe he could have lost by points.

Canelo gets KO'd by Usyk. If he had beaten Bivol and Beterbiev, he could have fought Usyk for ATG #1 place. And that (for all the silly size difference) would be easily the biggest fight in history. Because being a potential undisputed at 175 puts Canelo in the top 3 at least.

Canelo is unlucky because he has to run into H2H monsters like Bivol and Beterbiev. Usyk is another H2H beast. It's not just about size. It's about fighting against huge size difference+high level skill.

Canelo's athleticism peak was 154. He is a natural 154 lber who can make 160 without much problem. 168 is already out of Canelo's comfort zone. 175 is the shadow of Canelo. Canelo's body becomes like SpongeBob at 200.

I think Pac at his 147 prime slaps Spence and Crawford. But they expected that from 42 yo Pac. It's still incredible expectation.

May was smarter than PBF because he had to be.
Less power and brittle hands not getting any sturdier....

It's great how the worst version of PBF/May is matched against the best version of a MW !!!!
Maybe he should wear a blindfold as well ?!?! Just to make it more fair ?!?!?
No one, and I mean no one. No HW, No wrestler....NO ONE KO's May !!!
Not unless he's still fighting at the ripe age of 70

I think Nelo will know he probably wouldn't win by rd 5. After that it would be pure survival mode.
Who knows ? Usyk may get caught sleeping and get slept

Pac couldn't knock down a shot to shlt Margarito, who was just begging to be stopped.
Pac got bullied and robbed vs Horn of all people
The least effective version of JMM nearly killed WW Pac.
Spence and Dud.....RIPs him.

[QueensburyRules]

Pac couldn't knock down a shot to shlt Margarito, who was just begging to be stopped.
Pac got bullied and robbed vs Horn of all people
The least effective version of JMM nearly killed WW Pac.
Spence and Dud.....RIPs him.

- - Shot to shyte Marg that beat the tarballs out of Cotto had l'l floydy squallin' fer his daddy anytime he saw Marg on the street.

Headbutted by Horn all night as well as grabbed, but Manny busted up Horn's mug so badly that Aussies was embarrassed. Knocked him around the ring into ropes repeatedly in late rounds that should've counted as knockdowns whereas had Horn been doing that to little Manny, the ref would've pulled the plug.

TBE TUE ducked the BALCO Juan that lucked into a Manny foot fault that tossed him open and off balance to land a lucky shot. BALCO Juan was given a career purse by Arum for the rematch to be held in a Mexico City Bullring that he ducked so he could be beat by Timmy. BALCO Juan couldn't fight in front of Mexicans cheering for Manny even for a career purse.

Morgue been handing out Designer Toe Tags fer you now?

[Silence]

[QUOTE=BodyBagz;n31693852]

May was smarter than PBF because he had to be.
Less power and brittle hands not getting any sturdier....

It's great how the worst version of PBF/May is matched against the best version of a MW !!!!
Maybe he should wear a blindfold as well ?!?! Just to make it more fair ?!?!?
No one, and I mean no one. No HW, No wrestler....NO ONE KO's May !!!
Not unless he's still fighting at the ripe age of 70

I think Nelo will know he probably wouldn't win by rd 5. After that it would be pure survival mode.
Who knows ? Usyk may get caught sleeping and get slept

Pac couldn't knock down a shot to shlt Margarito, who was just begging to be stopped.
Pac got bullied and robbed vs Horn of all people
The least effective version of JMM nearly killed WW Pac.
Spence and Dud.....RIPs him.

I favour Maywaether over Golovkin to be honest. Especially his 2013 version. Golovkin couldn't land anything except jabs like always. But, we gotta see his body at 155-160. His heaviest fight nights were 148 in Oscar and 150 in Canelo.

Canelo vs Usyk is utterly ridiculous fight. I hope you're not serious.

Canelo and Callum Smith

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Usyk and Callum Smith..

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Canelo vs Usyk (I think Usyk should be a bit taller)

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You can spot Canelo's super high standards from these photos.

I still think a 30 yo Pac would beat Spence and Crawford. None of them are too skilled.