The Top-10 All Time Greatest P4P List

[BodyBagz]

I agree that Mayweather is a deserving ATG, but its not the '0' that makes him such (although that to an extent is a byproduct of his greatness). That being written, I think the bolded portion may not be entirely correct. I submit Sven Ottke as exhibit 'A' in that argument. I wouldn't put him above ATG, yet he was a world champ with an '0' on the end of his record.

It is feasible in this fractured sport to protect an '0', and sometimes fighters do less than scrupulous things to do that.

The sport can only ''protect'' an 0 but for so long.
Again, not every 0 is legit.
I've often repeated as much

For a so called unemotional fight fan to say PBF/May's 0 is bogus, you know you've just chatted with an emotional May hater.

Holy shlt, if Pac could have retired with an 0.....SRR would be told to fck right off.

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Which is it,
Constantly winning (maintaining an 0) is meh and LOSING is all the rage ?!?!?
Or does that line of irrationality only apply to those you ''hate'' ?!?!?

I don't hate May. I wouldn't put him on my list if I hated him. I'm speaking based on facts. Tank's idol is Canelo, and he would be delighted if Canelo made him an offer to train at his gym.

But his career based on cherrypicking was inspired by Mayweather. Although he is almost 30, he hasn't faced a legit opponent to not lose his 0.

So even if your idol is another fighter, your "protect your 0" model can be based on Mayweather.

If Pac or Nelo or any other MFer had an 0, that fighter would be above ATG.

If Pac and Nelo had won all their fights, they would have been GOATs. They are better as an overall resume. W/L rate puts May into favorable position.

And to claim my ''idol'' got by on beating fighters worst than Pac, you are just hating.
Why does it seem like no one wants to mention Pac's sad resume while at the same time claiming him to be some kind of legit MFer ?!?!?

I didn't say Pac beat better fighters. But he had much more drama and rematches. Boxing likes dramas.

I'm a Nelo fan and he has the POTENTIAL to be an ATG.
If he retired today, he wouldn't quite make it.
He'd be right on the cusp.
Closer than any active fighter by far.

Your list has one division merchants like Hagler and you say Canelo ain't ATG yet? You're not Canelo fan then. Canelo whoops half of fighters in your list as greatness. Canelo is arguably greater than your idol too. Especially if we consider his smaller reach and worse legs.

[BodyBagz]

I don't hate May. I wouldn't put him on my list if I hated him. I'm speaking based on facts. Tank's idol is Canelo, and he would be delighted if Canelo made him an offer to train at his gym.

But his career based on cherrypicking was inspired by Mayweather. Although he is almost 30, he hasn't faced a legit opponent to not lose his 0.

So even if your idol is another fighter, your "protect your 0" model can be based on Mayweather.



If Pac and Nelo had won all their fights, they would have been GOATs. They are better as an overall resume. W/L rate puts May into favorable position.



I didn't say Pac beat better fighters. But he had much more drama and rematches. Boxing likes dramas.



Your list has one division merchants like Hagler and you say Canelo ain't ATG yet? You're not Canelo fan then. Canelo whoops half of fighters in your list as greatness. Canelo is arguably greater than your idol too. Especially if we consider his smaller reach and worse legs.

Protecting an 0 doesn't have to be ''do what Dud does''.
That would be an easy route but that's not what I'm getting at.
Protecting a real 0 means stepping up your game and level of opponent.
If Fury retired right now, how legit would his 0 be ?

Pac's resume is trash.......but he's a nice guy who throws a lot of punches
Take away Thurman and his resume isn't even suitable for a land fill.
Overall better resume !!!

Then you say ''I didn't say Pac beat better fighters. But he had much more drama and rematches. Boxing likes dramas.''
Again, which is it ?!?
To have a better resume, one must have better opponents.

Every HW must be considered 1 div merchants, then.
Sorry but to me, a MFer has to do nearly the impossible to be an ATG.
As it is, being a HOFer is easy AF.
If every MFer who has 3 solid wins can be up for ATGness, then the shlt ain't worth it.

Edit -
''I don't hate May. I wouldn't put him on my list if I hated him.''

You're better than that
Feelings has no place in the matter.

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Protecting an 0 doesn't have to be ''do what Dud does''.
That would be an easy route but that's not what I getting at.
Protecting a real 0 means stepping up your game and level of opponent.
If Fury retired right now, how legit would his 0 be ?

More legit than Ottke and Calzaghe. On par with Ward.

Pac's resume is trash.......but he's a nice guy who throws a lot of punches
Take away Thurman and his resume isn't even suitable for a land fill.
Overall better resume !!!

Then you say ''I didn't say Pac beat better fighters. But he had much more drama and rematches. Boxing likes dramas.''
Again, which is it ?!?
To have a better resume, one must have better opponents.

His resume ain't trash. And, yes he has better resume overall but he couldn't beat of all of them. So, May's W/L rate makes him comparable with Pac. That's not rocket science.

Every HW must be considered 1 div merchants, then.
Sorry but to me, a MFer has to do nearly the impossible to be an ATG.
As it is, being a HOFer is easy AF.
If every MFer who has 3 solid wins can be up for ATGness, then the shlt ain't worth it.

Canelo whoops Hagler in any ATG list without exception as long as you don't have 20 IQ.

[BodyBagz]

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Protecting an 0 doesn't have to be ''do what Dud does''.
That would be an easy route but that's not what I getting at.
Protecting a real 0 means stepping up your game and level of opponent.
If Fury retired right now, how legit would his 0 be ?[/QUOTE]

More legit than Ottke and Calzaghe. On par with Ward.



His resume ain't trash. And, yes he has better resume overall but he couldn't beat of all of them. So, May's W/L rate make him comparable with Pac. That's not rocket science.



Canelo whoops Hagler in any ATG list without exception as long as you've 20 IQ.

On par with Ward ?!?!?
God forbid he had to make weight !!!
That alone would kill him.
Ward is truly underrated
No advantages to speak of and beat quality opponents.
Opponents that would be rated higher than Fury's.

Winning is the key.
Losing to top guys does not elevate a resume or 13L and Tex Cobb would be a HOFers.
Losing is easy AF !!!
I'll say it again, May keeps his 0 if he had Pac's resume.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with ''Nelo > Hagler with ease''
He's not a head hunting, one punch at a time and hope it lands MFer.
It's a fight that will only take place in our dreams and no one is wrong (except for the with ease part. That shlt is false AF).

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On par with Ward ?!?!?
God forbid he had to make weight !!!
That alone would kill him.
Ward is truly underrated
No advantages to speak of and beat quality opponents.
Opponents that would be rated higher than Fury's.

HW hasn't any upper weight limit. You can outweigh your opponent 50 lbs and no one can cry about that.

Who is Ward's best win? Arguably losing against Kovalev or stiff robot Froch?

Winning is the key.
Losing to top guys does not elevate a resume or 13L and Tex Cobb would be a HOFers.
Losing is easy AF !!!
I'll say it again, May keeps his 0 if he had Pac's resume.

You're too overestimate "0". Ottke, Calzaghe and Ward ain't top 50 ATG. Maybe Ward has a weak case for that. Mayweather is the best of them and that's all. And, Mayweather should have fought Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik, Bradley etc.. then if you so sure about he would beat all of Pac's opponents. Your claim is nonsense here.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with ''Nelo > Hagler with ease''
He's not a head hunting, one punch at a time and hope it lands MFer.
It's a fight that will only take place in our dreams and no one is wrong (except for the with ease part. That shlt is false AF).

We don't talk about the hypothetical fight. Canelo is way greater than Hagler with his background at 147, 154, 160, 168 and 175. And, I also favour him over Hagler in the fight. He is clearly better boxer and comparable brawler. Hagler was lack of feints, fakes and set ups. His stamina would keep him alive but he would lose. GGGeezer v2.0.

[BodyBagz]

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HW hasn't any upper weight limit. You can outweigh your opponent 50 lbs and no one can cry about that.

Who is Ward's best win? Arguably losing against Kovalev or stiff robot Froch?



You're too overestimate "0". Ottke, Calzaghe and Ward ain't top 50 ATG. Maybe Ward has a weak case for that. Mayweather is the best of them and that's all. And, Mayweather should have fought Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik, Bradley etc.. then if you so sure about he would beat all of Pac's opponents. Your claim is nonsense here.



We don't talk about the hypothetical fight. Canelo is way greater than Hagler with his background at 147, 154, 160, 168 and 175. And, I also favour him over Hagler in the fight. He is clearly better boxer and comparable brawler. Hagler was lack of feints, fakes and set ups. His stamina would keep him alive but he would lose. GGGeezer v2.0.

That's why I can't , in good conscience, place HWs high on an ATG list.
Basically, all they have to do is show up.
Kov and Froch > Wilder and the Wlad Fury ''beat''.

''Mayweather should have fought Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik, Bradley etc''

Pavlik !!!!
At what weight ?!?!?
Bradley ?!?!?
No one would pay to see a master school a wannabe.
Those other names are insulting.

Nelo vs Hagler at MW (the only div that matters) is a fight that would bring the winner all kinds of accolades.
Would not be an easy fight for either guy.
I would pick Hagler because his boxing prowess is underrated.
I'd give him the edge in power, stamina and tenacity.
I'd give Nelo the edge in ring generalship and defense.

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That's why I can't , in good conscience, place HWs high on an ATG list.
Basically, all they have to do is show up.
Kov and Froch > Wilder and the Wlad Fury ''beat''.

''Mayweather should have fought Morales, Barrera, Casamayor, Margarito, Pavlik, Bradley etc''



Pavlik !!!!
At what weight ?!?!?
Bradley ?!?!?
No one would pay to see a master school a wannabe.
Those other names are insulting.

Your making excuses skills are top notch. May should have fought and beat them if he was really GOAT candidate. His resume would be much better than today automatically and wouldn't be based just only on his "0".

Nelo vs Hagler at MW (the only div that matters) is a fight that would bring the winner all kinds of accolades.
Would not be an easy fight for either guy.
I would pick Hagler because his boxing prowess is underrated.
I'd give him the edge in power, stamina and tenacity.
I'd give Nelo the edge in ring generalship and defense.

Lol at power. Canelo hits way harder than Hagler when both sit on their punches. In fact, Hagler's only better attribute were his stamina and output.

Canelo has ******ly top notch performances like Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Alfredo Angulo etc.. I rank him just behind Mayweather and RJJ in terms of peak in history.

Hagler couldn't land anything significant on him at 160. Never forget Canelo's peak was 160. He is lazier and lesser fighter at 168 with even lower output, worse legs and puffy body. And, still had top notch performances there. He is truly 154 lber who can make 160 without problem. Canelo by UD everyday.

[QueensburyRules]

Pac's resume is trash.......but he's a nice guy who throws a lot of punches
Take away Thurman and his resume isn't even suitable for a land fill.
Overall better resume !!!
Feelings has no place in the matter.

- - 'ppears toe tag got more lives than a mummy.

Manny fought, beat, & KOed more Ring P4P ranked fighters in history and did it longer and consecutively for 12 years.

Nobody even close where his few competitors might as well be fighting for #10-20 slots, but of course U playing possum in a bodybag wif U toetag can be excused for incorrigible insipidity...c'est la vie...

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- - 'ppears toe tag got more lives than a mummy.

Manny fought, beat, & KOed more Ring P4P ranked fighters in history and did it longer and consecutively for 12 years.

Nobody even close where his few competitors might as well be fighting for #10-20 slots, but of course U playing possum in a bodybag wif U toetag can be excused for incorrigible insipidity...c'est la vie...

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