Rank your top 5 fighters in the post-Mayweather era.

[Willie Pep 229]

I find this to be an interesting take. As a long time history teacher, I like to hear where people feel history begins. I remember in college, in a history teaching class, it was brought up how far up do you go, in essences when does history begin (or end)?

Where would you put the line at, where history ends?

It's fluid both because circumstances affect the situation and of course, because it's subjective.

So there is no definitive answer, but here's a few opinions, mine.

At the nation level it lays at least sometime after a cultural generation has passed, i.e. 20 to 40 years have past. We are just starting to get ready to examine the Clinton years as history, but because Hillary kept rolling on like the Energizer Bunny (special circumstance) maybe it's still too soon to tear Clinton apart. But Reagan is now history.

As the Millennials (sp) replace the Boomers, as the movers and shakers of the nation, the Boomers become history. The average VN Vet is now over 70.

With most sports, usually a decade after the athlete last participated he becomes history. I think most HOF's see it as five years.

With fighters it usually appears when both the fighter and his opponents have dropped out of the game.

Of course any fighter still active should never be historically evaluated. That's not in anyone's definition of 'history.'

Your opinion?

[DeeMoney]

It's fluid both because circumstances affect the situation and of course, because it's subjective.

So there is no definitive answer, but here's a few opinions, mine.

At the nation level it lays at least sometime after a cultural generation has passed, i.e. 20 to 40 years have past. We are just starting to get ready to examine the Clinton years as history, but because Hillary kept rolling on like the Energizer Bunny (special circumstance) maybe it's still too soon to tear Clinton apart. But Reagan is now history.

As the Millennials (sp) replace the Boomers, as the movers and shakers of the nation, the Boomers become history. The average VN Vet is now over 70.

With most sports, usually a decade after the athlete last participated he becomes history. I think most HOF's see it as five years.

With fighters it usually appears when both the fighter and his opponents have dropped out of the game.

Of course any fighter still active should never be historically evaluated. That's not in anyone's definition of 'history.'

Your opinion?

I think we can evaluate active fighters historically to an extent, I know we like to have the full picture of things, but we can always run with assumption that they would never fight again and where would it land them at the moment. For example, you may not want to evaluate Canelo right now, as he is active, but assume he retired this instant- you would be able to evaluate him based on the exact same info you have at this time.

Nationally, I tend to be in an agreement with you, but probably view generations as being a lot shorter than you do. Culturally/socially speaking, Xennials grew up in a different society than many Gen X'ers, and both are middle aged and beyond. I've also heard the belief that we only can study those things that historians are looking at, or have looked at. I don't buy that, we don't have to rely on others, we are individually smart enough to evaluate things on our own. For my US history classes we will get up into the ***** years, most of which is over a decade old now, which I think is about right.

Well enough of my ramblings, hope you can piece that together.

[Willow The Wisp]

2017 - 2023. 15. NEVER know when to stop!......

1. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Mexico 58-2-2 (39)
2. Tyson "The Gypsy King" Fury, England 33-0-1 (24)
3. Oleksander "The Cat" Usyk, Ukraine 20-0-0 (13)
4. Terence "Bud" Crawford, USA 39-0-0 (30)
5. Naoya "Monster" Inoue, Japan 24-0-0 (21)
6. Dmitry Bivol, Kyrgyzstan 21-0-0 (11)
7. Errol "The Truth" Spence Jr., USA 28-0-0 (22)
8. Gennady Golovkin, Kazakhstan 42-2-1 (37)
9. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao, Phillipines 62-8-2 (39)
10.Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez, Nicaragua 51-4-0 (41)
11.Deontay Wilder, USA 43-2-1 (42)
12.Vasyl Lomachenko, Ukraine 17-2-0 (11)
13.Artur Beterbiev, Russia 18-0-0 (18)
14.Nonito Donaire, Philippines 42-7-0 (28)
15.Juan Francisco Estrada, Mexico 44-3-0 (28)

[The D3vil]

No Inoue?

I had him sharing 5 with Usyk.

He's younger than the other dudes and doesn't have the extensive record they have.

[QueensburyRules]

I had him sharing 5 with Usyk.

He's younger than the other dudes and doesn't have the extensive record they have.

- - Inoue with what, 21-22 undefeated title fights in multiple divisions ain't extensive enough?

[kara]

- - Inoue with what, 21-22 undefeated title fights in multiple divisions ain't extensive enough?

Queens makes a point here.

[The D3vil]

- - Inoue with what, 21-22 undefeated title fights in multiple divisions ain't extensive enough?

Queens makes a point here.

Look at how much longer those other dudes have been going at it?

They're all much older than Monster

He's by far the youngest person on the list.

[kara]

Look at how much longer those other dudes have been going at it?

They're all much older than Monster

He's by far the youngest person on the list.

Hard to see anyone at super bantamweight beating him, even at featherweight

[QueensburyRules]

Hard to see anyone at super bantamweight beating him, even at featherweight

- - If he keeps jumping divisions, he gonna run into the Canelo bedevilment.

A man has got to know his limits...Dirty Harry...

[kara]

- - If he keeps jumping divisions, he gonna run into the Canelo bedevilment.

A man has got to know his limits...Dirty Harry...

Featherweight will be a true test