Post Sugar Ray Robinson: Fighters Approaching His Greatness, Debatably Matching Him

[billeau2]

But you would put Wlad there, with 3 losses in his prime to less than stellar opposition? Brilliant, just brilliant!!!

Just shoot me... Right between the eyes, here Ill aim the gun...

[QueensburyRules]

Just shoot me... Right between the eyes, here Ill aim the gun...

- - The Soviet takeover didn't require guns or war. Former Soviet territories tend to dominate modern men's rankings from light to heavywt enhanced by growing up in a harder, harsher environment than candied Americans...

[JAB5239]

- - The Soviet takeover didn't require guns or war. Former Soviet territories tend to dominate modern men's rankings from light to heavywt enhanced by growing up in a harder, harsher environment than candied Americans...

Than why did Wlad get knocked out by less than stellar American fighters Purrity and Brewster?

[billeau2]

- - The Soviet takeover didn't require guns or war. Former Soviet territories tend to dominate modern men's rankings from light to heavywt enhanced by growing up in a harder, harsher environment than candied Americans...

[QueensburyRules]

Than why did Wlad get knocked out by less than stellar American fighters Purrity and Brewster?

- - Same reason young Clay got KOed by Light Heavy Henry Cooper and beat up by by little Doug Jones.

Any more dumb questions?

[JAB5239]

- - Same reason young Clay got KOed by Light Heavy Henry Cooper and beat up by by little Doug Jones.

Any more dumb questions?

I know Wlad lost the fights I mentioned, but who lost the fight you mentioned? Remind me, I must have forgotten.

[QueensburyRules]

I know Wlad lost the fights I mentioned, but who lost the fight you mentioned? Remind me, I must have forgotten.

- - The Ks won the WAR with no professional boxing men guiding them until after the fact they hired Manny for Wlad.

You know your ABCs, but nary squat after that schoolboy recital.

[JAB5239]

- - The Ks won the WAR with no professional boxing men guiding them until after the fact they hired Manny for Wlad.

You know your ABCs, but nary squat after that schoolboy recital.

This is your comeback?

[DeeMoney]

No one will approach his resume, because fighters don't fight that often anymore; its one of those things in sports that is a product of its time (Cy Young's win record, etc). Thats not to say he isn't the GOAT, or a once in a lifetime talent, rather that to throw resume out there without context would dictate an argument that nobody is close (nor will ever be). Duran, Leonard, etc, the best of the best of their generation all approach him as he was not superhuman.

I like the mentions of RJJ and what we would have thought had he retired post Ruiz, its a shame that we let someone's post prime work diminish what we think about them. Thats not to argue that longevity isn't a factor, but in discussions like this we are most certainly arguing about what they were at their best, not what they were when they were old. Unless someone wants to argue that Ugas ranks higher on the GOAT ranking than Manny....

[Silence]

We can also combine older fighters than him who has a GOAT case with younger buds.

Pre-SRR: Langford, Greb, Armstrong
The same era: Charles
Post-SRR: Duran, Pacquiao, Canelo

7 of top 10 ATG are here. It's good. SRR is historians' common favourite but not utterly unrivaled. Greb is still the biggest alternative against him.