July 2009, boxing's most tragic month?

[Willow The Wisp]

Zora Folley, a friend of his, and two women were drinking around a hotel pool. Folley and the man started wrestling, and drunk Zora fell and hit his head on the side of the pool. Zora was considered a "family man" (he had nine kids with his wife) so getting drunk at a hotel with a woman and another couple wasn't something the sporting press at the time tended to play up.

Sonny Liston testified before Congress in 1964. He died six years later in Las Vegas while his wife went to visit her mother after Christmas.

Eddie Machen had been in and out of mental institutions and likely had CTE (along with his other problems). Gatti likely had CTE as well. (Micky Ward believes he currently has it. He's agreed to donate his brain after his death.) NFL players with CTE tend to kill themselves at a brisk clip.

Yup. That's all we need to know. Because that's all there is TO know. Good post. Add Argüello to the list of no conspiracy as well. And Camacho, Du Koo Kim.......

[Willow The Wisp]

USA BOXING

USA BOXING USA BOXING REMEMBERS THE 1980 PLANE CRASH


March 14, 2019, 1:37 p.m. (ET)

On March 14, 1980, the sport of amateur boxing and the world tragically lost 22 members to a plane crash near Warsaw, Poland. The fourteen boxers and eight staff members aboard the flight, which killed a total of 77 people, were en route to an international event in Poland at the time of the crash.




The team was traveling from New York to Warsaw to compete in two dual events in Cracow and Katowice when the Polish IL-62 jetliner went down just a half a mile from Warsaw's Okecie Airport.




Today marks the 39th anniversary of the tragic accident and USA Boxing would like to acknowledge those team members and the sacrifice they made for their country and the love of the sport. Those lost on March 14, 1980 will never be forgotten.






USA Boxing Team Members and Staff Lost in the 1980 Plane Crash




KELVIN D. ANDERSON

ELLIOT CHAVIS

GARY TYRONE CLAYTON

WALTER HARRIS

BYRON LINDSAY

ANDRE MCCOY

PAUL PALOMINO

BYRON PAYTON

GEORGE PIMENTAL

CHUCK ROBINSON

DAVID RODRIGUEZ

LEMUEL STEEPLES

JEROME STEWART

COL. BERNARD CALLAHAN

THOMAS "SARGE" JOHNSON

JOSEPH BLAND

JOHN RADISON

JUNIOR ROBLES

LONNIE YOUNG

DELORES WESSON

DR. RAY WESSON

STEVE SMIGIEL


......for my two Cents. RIP

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Not sure your point, but I was comparing alleged suicides with background info indicating criminal murderous intent.

There was no intent to murder Vern since they could've done so at ground zero of the encounter. Going after armed thugs fleeing into the woods where they can ambush Vern rushing in face forward with no defense could be seen as suicidal, but to me more like a bad snap judgement by Vern. I'm not blaming Vern for his instinctive judgement, but rather noting he wouldn't be dead but for his rush to judgement.

Has nothing to do with the murder charges against the felons

Oh wait I am confused who you meant.
I thought you were speaking of the South American kid who offed his wife. SORRY!

[Silence]

Gatti and Forrest weren't that significant. Argüello was huge loss for boxing.

[Dubblechin]

USA BOXING

USA BOXING USA BOXING REMEMBERS THE 1980 PLANE CRASH


March 14, 2019, 1:37 p.m. (ET)

On March 14, 1980, the sport of amateur boxing and the world tragically lost 22 members to a plane crash near Warsaw, Poland. The fourteen boxers and eight staff members aboard the flight, which killed a total of 77 people, were en route to an international event in Poland at the time of the crash.




The team was traveling from New York to Warsaw to compete in two dual events in Cracow and Katowice when the Polish IL-62 jetliner went down just a half a mile from Warsaw's Okecie Airport.




Today marks the 39th anniversary of the tragic accident and USA Boxing would like to acknowledge those team members and the sacrifice they made for their country and the love of the sport. Those lost on March 14, 1980 will never be forgotten.






USA Boxing Team Members and Staff Lost in the 1980 Plane Crash




KELVIN D. ANDERSON

ELLIOT CHAVIS

GARY TYRONE CLAYTON

WALTER HARRIS

BYRON LINDSAY

ANDRE MCCOY

PAUL PALOMINO

BYRON PAYTON

GEORGE PIMENTAL

CHUCK ROBINSON

DAVID RODRIGUEZ

LEMUEL STEEPLES

JEROME STEWART

COL. BERNARD CALLAHAN

THOMAS "SARGE" JOHNSON

JOSEPH BLAND

JOHN RADISON

JUNIOR ROBLES

LONNIE YOUNG

DELORES WESSON

DR. RAY WESSON

STEVE SMIGIEL


......for my two Cents. RIP

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First thing I thought of was the 1980 plane crash with the Olympic coaches and boxers. "Sarge" Johnson coached the 1976 US team. Lem Steeples was the favorite to win Gold. Paul Palomino was Carlos Palomino's brother. What a waste.

1980 was a bad year overall. Victor Galindez died. Cleveland Denny died on the Leonard-Duran I undercard. Johnny Owen died. A couple weeks later, Ali came close to dying thanks to the Holmes beating and all the drugs Ali was on. (Pacheco said Ali could've easily stroked out.)

[QueensburyRules]

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First thing I thought of was the 1980 plane crash with the Olympic coaches and boxers. "Sarge" Johnson coached the 1976 US team. Lem Steeples was the favorite to win Gold. Paul Palomino was Carlos Palomino's brother. What a waste.

1980 was a bad year overall. Victor Galindez died. Cleveland Denny died on the Leonard-Duran I undercard. Johnny Owen died. A couple weeks later, Ali came close to dying thanks to the Holmes beating and all the drugs Ali was on. (Pacheco said Ali could've easily stroked out.)

- - Horrific that crash. I remember it well.

I refused to watch Ali's last two fights because of that criminal element that kept him propped up. Seen every fight but those 2.

[JAB5239]

Gatti and Forrest weren't that significant. Argüello was huge loss for boxing.

Forrest had just been stripped of his WBC junior middleweight title a few months earlier and was still a top fighter. Gatti of course was not at the elite level of world class fighters, but he gave us some legendary fights and his toughness in the ring will be admired for generations I'd imagine.

[JAB5239]

Some good add on to this thread. Thank you guys.

[The D3vil]

You can't possibly believe Alexis killed himself, right?

I'm not even an anti-Sandinista guy, but c'mon

[markusmod]

Forrest had just been stripped of his WBC junior middleweight title a few months earlier and was still a top fighter. Gatti of course was not at the elite level of world class fighters, but he gave us some legendary fights and his toughness in the ring will be admired for generations I'd imagine.

Gatto and Arguello were both long retired. Forrest was still active and in the running for big fights.