Langford vs Greb

[JAB5239]

It depends where you kick him and who good you are it, doesn't it? Head butts can liger on an opponent. They are dangerous and the top of the head is the hardest bone place in the body. I agree with the rules , but they do not use London Rules today. Quote M of Q rules.

A shorter fighter or lower fight coming up to but heads with a taller fighter is the ref's call and boxing has rules to do to a decision after round four if identified by the ref as a foul. Boxing does not have replay review. Perhaps they should.

The effects from hitting to the back of the head also linger. 2 fights ago I got rocked in the first round. Later that round I got hit on the back of the head and it had me loopy the test of the fight. Thankfully I stopped my opponent shortly after, but the damage was done and my equilibrium was not the same.

[Dr. Z]

The problem with all of this is you need to prove intention. You cannot do that without film. So again, you keep pushing on being "right" on something you cannot show. What you can show are opinions. And as I've said and what I'll stick to is the opinions of the men who shared the ring with him. So once again, no one is saying Greb never fouled. What is a fact though is you can't prove the circumstances of the accusations therefore cannot say it was intentional. It may have been in some circumstances, we don't know.

Using elbows and hitting behind the head should be tier one if intentional. Don't see how it could be lower.

Well proving intention without film can be done IF they are reported fouls by the writers and historians! We all can read and do research. If they happen often enough it's not an accident. I will showed you what Tunney's corner said about the head butts and reported multiple fouls in a press report, in point blank range. You'll have to accept that as fact. Your are not a big Greb fan are you? Do you deny that he used multiple fouls in various fights are you? That is the line you must draw for yourself.

[JAB5239]

Just out of curiosity, who considers Henry Armstrong a dirty fighter? He has more disqualification than Greb and fought in the same whirlwind style often leading with his head.

[Willie Pep 229]

The effects from hitting to the back of the head also linger. 2 fights ago I got rocked in the first round. Later that round I got hit on the back of the head and it had me loopy the test of the fight. Thankfully I stopped my opponent shortly after, but the damage was done and my equilibrium was not the same.

Hey you got video? I want to see you fight!

[Willie Pep 229]

Just out of curiosity, who considers Henry Armstrong a dirty fighter? He has more disqualification than Greb and fought in the same whirlwind style often leading with his head.

I was shocked when I finally saw Armstrong fight. He was using his head to push his opponent off balance. Kept his head right on top of his opponent the entire time. Not actually butting but certainly using it to gain advantage. Not sure if that would fly today.

[Ivich]

The effects from hitting to the back of the head also linger. 2 fights ago I got rocked in the first round. Later that round I got hit on the back of the head and it had me loopy the test of the fight. Thankfully I stopped my opponent shortly after, but the damage was done and my equilibrium was not the same.

A guest here today who has several boxing sites I belong to believes unequivically that Greb was the dirtiest fighter of them all .
In reply I said was he as dirty as PO Curran who was dsq'd 13 times?

Was he as dirty as Fred Russell who kneed Johnson 3 times in one fight?

Jim Flynn who practised his head butts,?

Was he as dirty as Fritzie Zivic?

Kid Norfolk who permanently injured Greb's eye?

Max Baer who often employed the back hander?
Carl Morris who was cynically dirty?
Fred Hennebury the Aussie fighter who seemed unable to control his temper?

Another temper dirty fighter was Tom Sharkey.
God knows how many fouls Marciano committed in the ring.

Paul Gallico sparred with Dempsey,Jack was taking it easy on him Gallico said ,but Dempsey still rabbit punched his a few times,as though it was, "force of habit"

Tunney complained that Dempsey rabbit punched him several times,I don't recall him ever saying Greb fouled him.

It's all relative imo

[Ivich]

Just out of curiosity, who considers Henry Armstrong a dirty fighter? He has more disqualification than Greb and fought in the same whirlwind style often leading with his head.

Marginal.Zivic, who made no bones about being a fouler said Hank hit him low and butted him continually.
Billy Conn,.considered a standup stylist recalled hitting Bob Pastor low and Pastor complaining to him,Conn said he replied,"why you big baby,now I'm really going to hit you in the balls".
Greb fought at such a frantic pace and threw punches from so many odd angles,it must have been very difficult to judge which were fair blows and which punches "strayed,"

[JAB5239]

Hey you got video? I want to see you fight!

I'm a 53 year old man who never grew up. It's kickboxing, but I enjoy it and it keeps my fat azz in shape. Shoot me a PM and I'll see if I can figure out how to upload some of the highlights I have saved.

[JAB5239]

I was shocked when I finally saw Armstrong fight. He was using his head to push his opponent off balance. Kept his head right on top of his opponent the entire time. Not actually butting but certainly using it to gain advantage. Not sure if that would fly today.

I doubt it would fly today, but don't think he did itwith malice. At least not from what I've seen. I'd bet more than a few elbows landed in his time as well given his style and punch output.

[JAB5239]

Marginal.Zivic, who made no bones about being a fouler said Hank hit him low and butted him continually.
Billy Conn,.considered a standup stylist recalled hitting Bob Pastor low and Pastor complaining to him,Conn said he replied,"why you big baby,now I'm really going to hit you in the balls".
Greb fought at such a frantic pace and threw punches from so many odd angles,it must have been very difficult to judge which were fair blows and which punches "strayed,"

Exactly!!!!