Fury is a Fighting Man, as it turns out.

[ShoulderRoll]

How many times have you guys said it was Dempsey's responsibility to make the Wills fight happen regardless of what Kearns and Rickard were up to?

Why don't you hold Fury to the same standard you set for Dempsey?

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Fury wanted to fight Joshua and sent him a fair offer.

You can't force a duck to swim if he doesn't want to.

[Ivich]

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Fury wanted to fight Joshua and sent him a fair offer.

You can't force a duck to swim if he doesn't want to.

Fury gave AJ a 2 week deadline to sign the contract thats not very realistic is it?

,Fury is the fighter not the manager or promoter.

AJ signed to fight Fury before, Fury pulled out to fight Wilder
.I think Fury beats AJ, but I'm not laying the blame for this fight not happening at his door.

Fury pulled out of fight with Ustinov and a rematch with Wlad.

[ShoulderRoll]

Fury gave AJ a 2 week deadline to sign the contract thats not very realistic is it?

,Fury is the fighter not the manager or promoter.

AJ signed to fight Fury before, Fury pulled out to fight Wilder
.I think Fury beats AJ, but I'm not laying the blame for this fight not happening at his door.

Fury pulled out of fight with Ustinov and a rematch with Wlad.

Tyson Fury wanted to fight Usyk in December. When Usyk said he wouldn't be ready Fury then turned around and offered Joshua the fight.

To me that looks like a guy who is willing and ready to go.

Maybe the blame for the fight not happening shouldn't be put on Joshua but it should certainly be put on Eddie Hearn.

[Ivich]

Tyson Fury wanted to fight Usyk in December. When Usyk said he wouldn't be ready Fury then turned around and offered Joshua the fight.

To me that looks like a guy who is willing and ready to go.

Maybe the blame for the fight not happening shouldn't be put on Joshua but it should certainly be put on Eddie Hearn.

The Fury fight would earn Hearn more money than any other,why would he put obstacles in its way?

Hearn works for AJ, not the other way around
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[Anthony342]

That's the story. You got it. Let me restate it with you, so that all are clear about this.

Tyson Fury is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. There aren't two of those. Only one.
There are men in other combat sports, good fighter-athletes too, who call themselves that; but theirs is a meaningless title. No history behind it. Just a promoter's whim. A made up thing. Nothing.
There are "Title Claimants" who hold belts that are essentially sold to boxing promotional companies for something called a "sanctioning fee". There are more than half a dozen out there that are widely known about, and another half a dozen that aren't. Sadly, in the other weight classes the world title lineage is so confused that it's breadcrumbs are long ago lost. Some of the newer "in-between" weight divisions where actually born split up.

None of this applies to the Heavyweights, the "Open Class" of fighting. The alpha class.

The lineage of the alpha class in Boxing is as crystal clear as anything in world history is. Completely above reproach and beyond debate. It is one of the most significant things that separates boxing from the playground and country club sports, and makes it so much more historically significant. A singular title drawn at the ideal place between a children's game and a battlefield murder, established as the perfect place by the unimpeachable voice of recorded global history, dating back more than 5,000 years.
What boxing "is" has a clear definition across all cultues, timeframes and rules revisions as well; from the ancient world to the modern. A thumbnail sketch of boxing history 101 informs that the very first recognized world heavyweight boxing champion was named Forvanta.
The first "Undisputed" world's Heavyweight boxing champion, however, was Onomastos of Smyrma, who won undisputed recognition of the world championship at the 23rd Olympiad, 688 BC, and held the title 688-676 BC.
Centuries later, following hundreds of years of boxing existing throughout most of the world in some iteration falling within the definable range of "boxing", boxing became increasingly and eventually fashionable in England, by now the defacto leader of the world; and beginning in 1719, James Figg defeated the primary championship claimants across the country in Timothy Buck, Tom Stokes, Bill Flanders, Christopher Clarkson and Ned Sutton, establishing an undisputed title. Later, in 1733 when traditional Venetian boxing's chosen representative lost to Figg student Bob Whitaker, and in 1751 when French champion Jean Petit was defeated by Jack Slack, Figg's championship had truly become a World's Championship.
This is the Title held today by Mr. Tyson Fury, the self proclaimed "Gypsy King", who is the one and only holder of this very same title.
Due to retirements, there have been a modest number of breaks in the title lineage; but all have been mended to the satisfaction of the experts in real time, and all reconnections are unassailable by today's hobbyists, revisionists and malcontents spoiling for a chance to feel important.
Fury stands above the military commanders who rely on others to do the difficult bits for them. He is above the "heroes" of field games designed for children before they come of age, ready for real labor, and above the stars of new combat sports, where often times it seems the contests are won by meeting the objective of placing both the right and the left testicle into the corresponding eye sockets of the hapless opponents, to the thrill and excitement of the fans who go in for this kind of thing.

You don't have to like it; but Tyson Fury is the only Heavyweight Champion of the World, and you have to accept that reality, because you (meaning us) do not get to decide.​

True, but we get to decide if we want to see this farce. We wanna see the best have some real balls and fight the best. That's why I give a champ like Floyd Patterson more credit than a lot of others do. When the time came to fight Sonny Liston, he did the right thing and stepped up and did it. It didn't matter what his management wanted. Liston was the number 1 contender and deserved the title shot, so Floyd granted it to him. Simple as that, which it always should be. There should be a rule in boxing that you fight the best or be stripped of the title within a reasonable time limit. They would first need reliable, unbiased rankings everyone can agree on though.

[JAB5239]

True, but we get to decide if we want to see this farce. We wanna see the best have some real balls and fight the best. That's why I give a champ like Floyd Patterson more credit than a lot of others do. When the time came to fight Sonny Liston, he did the right thing and stepped up and did it. It didn't matter what his management wanted. Liston was the number 1 contender and deserved the title shot, so Floyd granted it to him. Simple as that, which it always should be. There should be a rule in boxing that you fight the best or be stripped of the title within a reasonable time limit. They would first need reliable, unbiased rankings everyone can agree on though.

In that case, Joshua will be waiting for awhile. I've got Usyk, Joyce, Wilder and Ruiz ahead him.

[StarshipTrooper]

LMAO I have no clue who any of these fuckers are.....and don't care

[Ivich]

In that case, Joshua will be waiting for awhile. I've got Usyk, Joyce, Wilder and Ruiz ahead him.

That's the problem,who decides who is the best and in what order they are?
I have it ;
Fury
Usyk
Joshua
Wilder
Ruiz
Right now I think Joyce beats Joshua,but ,until he does that's my order.

Joyce has beaten one top ten opponent.

With the Heavies ratings can change with one punch.
Should Helenius land his right flush on Wilder,we could see the end of Deontay at world level,unlikely but a possibility.

Who knows how much Wilder has left?

Helenius was yesterday's news until he racked up consecutive stoppages over the once ,flavour of the month ,Kownacki who has

proven to be a face first brawler with no defence and a limited repertoire and apt to foul when things are going against him . he is

currently demoted to stepping stone status for the likes of Hrgovic,,Dubois,etc to feed on.

[ShoulderRoll]

The Fury fight would earn Hearn more money than any other,why would he put obstacles in its way?

Hearn works for AJ, not the other way around
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Joshua just signed an exclusive contract with DAZN.

Hearn can't afford for him to start it off by losing again. It damages the brand.

[QueensburyRules]

True, but we get to decide if we want to see this farce. We wanna see the best have some real balls and fight the best. That's why I give a champ like Floyd Patterson more credit than a lot of others do. When the time came to fight Sonny Liston, he did the right thing and stepped up and did it. It didn't matter what his management wanted. Liston was the number 1 contender and deserved the title shot, so Floyd granted it to him. Simple as that, which it always should be. There should be a rule in boxing that you fight the best or be stripped of the title within a reasonable time limit. They would first need reliable, unbiased rankings everyone can agree on though.

Fury and Wilder would've been stripped before facing Liston.