Top 6 Trainers Ever?

[The Old LefHook]

We have not talked much about this subject. Put 'em in order, if you can, and give some reasons.

Below is a partial list in no particular order, to serve as a memory aid. You may require a larger list. "Liver" Davis trained Langford, Harry Wiley trained Ray Robinson. Bimstein trained Marciano. Kearns trained Dempsey, and I believe Mickey Walker. You know the rest.



Manny Steward
Freddy Roach
Ray Arcel
Teddy Atlas
Freddie Roach
Angelo Dundee
Doc Kearns
Virgil Hill
Eddie Futch
Nacho Beristan
Lou Duva
George Benton
Chappy Blackburn
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Panama Lewis
Whitey Bimstein
Bundini Brown
Buddy McGirt
Kevin Rooney
Abel Sanchez
Ronnie Shields
Sugar Hill Steward
Don Turner
25 Harry Wiley
26 "Liver" Davis

[The Old LefHook]

Here are my ordered choices:

1 Manny Steward
2 Ray Arcel
3 Liver Davis
4 Chappy Blackburn
5 Harry Wiley
6 Cus D'mato


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Liver Davis must have like body punching. No wonder Langford coined the phrase, "Kill he body and the head dies."

Sometimes a trainer nearly creates a great fighter by himself from the ground up, his creation. Hence, D'mato is on my list.

[markusmod]

Here are my ordered choices:

1 Manny Steward
2 Ray Arcel
3 Liver Davis
4 Chappy Blackburn
5 Harry Wiley
6 Cus D'mato


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Liver Davis must have like body punching. No wonder Langford coined the phrase, "Kill he body and the head dies."

Sometimes a trainer nearly creates a great fighter by himself from the ground up, his creation. Hence, D'mato is on my list.

No Freddie Roach? Likely the most media pushed coach in history

[Ivich]

We have not talked much about this subject. Put 'em in order, if you can, and give some reasons.

Below is a partial list in no particular order, to serve as a memory aid. You may require a larger list. "Liver" Davis trained Langford, Harry Wiley trained Ray Robinson. Bimstein trained Marciano. Kearns trained Dempsey, and I believe Mickey Walker. You know the rest.



Manny Steward
Freddy Roach
Ray Arcel
Teddy Atlas
Freddie Roach
Angelo Dundee
Doc Kearns
Virgil Hill
Eddie Futch
Nacho Beristan
Lou Duva
George Benton
Chappy Blackburn
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Panama Lewis
Whitey Bimstein
Bundini Brown
Buddy McGirt
Kevin Rooney
Abel Sanchez
Ronnie Shields
Sugar Hill Steward
Don Turner
25 Harry Wiley
26 "Liver" Davis

Kearns never trained anyone,neither did Bundini.Kearns was a manager.Bundini a cheerleader.

Dempsey was trained by Jimmy Deforest and the rest of Jacks corner were Jerry Luvardis and Teddy Hayes.Kearns was a positive liability in the corner once spilling smelling salts into Dempsey;s eyes.
Deforest trained.

• Jack Dempsey
• Stanley Ketchel
• James J. Jeffries
• Joe Gans
• George Dixon
• Joe Walcott
• Kid McCoy
• Tommy Ryan
• Philadelphia Pal Moore
• Jack Sharkey
• Luis Angel Firpo

Charlie Goldman trained Marciano with the occasional help of Freddie Brown who may have saved Rocky''s title when poor corner - work got cut salve in his eyes in the 1st Walcott fight, illegal astringent on Jersey Joe is BS.
Panama Lewis is a disgrace both as a trainer and as a human being
Do you mean Virgil Hunter?
Name three boxers Rooney trained?
Lou Duva was a cheer leader not a trainer; George Benton was the trainer for their stable.

Eddie Futch
Ray Arcel
Emmanuel Steward
Freddie Roach
Jack Blackburn
Whitey Bimstein
Charlie Goldman
Bill Gore
Harry Lenny
Eddie Thomas
Freddie Brown
George Benton

[The D3vil]

I'm not an expert on this, but based on reputations and champions, I gotta go with:

Angelo Dundee
Eddie Futch
Cus D'Amato
Emmanuel Steward
Ray Arcel

[GhostofDempsey]

In no particular order:

Eddie Futch
Manny Stewart
Freddie Brown
Cus D’Amato
Ray Arcel

Others for consideration:

Freddie Roach
Jack Blackburn
Mannie Seamon
Charley Goldman
Gil Clancy
Richie Giachetti
George Benton
Ronnie Shields
Nazeem Richardson

If you want to read a couple of good books on boxing’s best old time coaches, have a look at:

Cornermen—The Great Boxing Trainers by Ronald K Fried

In the Corner by Dave Anderson

Two highly informative and entertaining books on boxing coaches of generations past.

[Willie Pep 229]

In no particular order:

Eddie Futch
Manny Stewart
Freddie Brown
Cus D’Amato
Ray Arcel

Others for consideration:

Freddie Roach
Jack Blackburn
Mannie Seamon
Charley Goldman
Gil Clancy
Richie Giachetti
George Benton
Ronnie Shields
Nazeem Richardson

If you want to read a couple of good books on boxing’s best old time coaches, have a look at:

Cornermen—The Great Boxing Trainers by Ronald K Fried

In the Corner by Dave Anderson

Two highly informative and entertaining books on boxing coaches of generations past.

I don't really know enough to have an opinion about the OP question.

I noticed Kevin Rooney not on either of your lists.

As I said I am ignorant so I am ignorant of the depth of his resume but I think he should get an 'honorabl mention' for taking Tyson though his best years.

I realize they were going to be Tyson great years regardless, but in the end Rooney looks to have gotten the most out of Iron Mike.

Have read book books. Excellent!

[GhostofDempsey]

I don't really know enough to have an opinion about the OP question.

I noticed Kevin Rooney not on either of your lists.

As I said I am ignorant so I am ignorant of the depth of his resume but I think he should get an 'honorabl mention' for taking Tyson though his best years.

I realize they were going to be Tyson great years regardless, but in the end Rooney looks to have gotten the most out of Iron Mike.

Have read book books. Excellent!

Sure, Rooney can get an honorable mention. There are several others as well; Teddy Atlas who came from the same D'Amato camp. Bimstein, Silvani, Petronelli, and several other unsung heroes.

[The Old LefHook]

Kearns never trained anyone,neither did Bundini.Kearns was a manager.Bundini a cheerleader.

Dempsey was trained by Jimmy Deforest and the rest of Jacks corner were Jerry Luvardis and Teddy Hayes.Kearns was a positive liability in the corner once spilling smelling salts into Dempsey;s eyes.
Deforest trained.

• Jack Dempsey
• Stanley Ketchel
• James J. Jeffries
• Joe Gans
• George Dixon
• Joe Walcott
• Kid McCoy
• Tommy Ryan
• Philadelphia Pal Moore
• Jack Sharkey
• Luis Angel Firpo

Charlie Goldman trained Marciano with the occasional help of Freddie Brown who may have saved Rocky''s title when poor corner - work got cut salve in his eyes in the 1st Walcott fight, illegal astringent on Jersey Joe is BS.
Panama Lewis is a disgrace both as a trainer and as a human being
Do you mean Virgil Hunter?
Name three boxers Rooney trained?
Lou Duva was a cheer leader not a trainer; George Benton was the trainer for their stable.

Eddie Futch
Ray Arcel
Emmanuel Steward
Freddie Roach
Jack Blackburn
Whitey Bimstein
Charlie Goldman
Bill Gore
Harry Lenny
Eddie Thomas
Freddie Brown
George Benton

Kearns had been a boxer, then he became a boxing manager and a coach, according to Wikipega. I don't think he belongs on this list, but he did train fighters. To what extent, I also do not know. I think his training of Dempsey was near the beginning, maybe the same for Walker. When someone has had 67 pro fights, it makes sense that they would know enough to put some ideas and techniques into their new charge's medicine bag.

I made a mistake saying Bimstein was Marciano's trainer, when I even knew better and just forgot. What a list Whitey had though. The article says he once handled every champion existing in boxing at the time.

Bundini, I do not know about. I included him because he was on Wikipega's list. I always thought of him as Clay's camp cheerleader, so would not have included him on my own volition. His job before Clay might reveal something?

If Lou Duva didn't train at least a few fighters, I would be surprised, but not shocked. It is just a conjecture, but I bet most of the people in the corner of a professional, high-level boxing match have spent some modicum of time coaching, other than the cut man. How many boxers have their manager in the corner? Is that a common practice? I probably never heard of it. Maybe managers do it all the time. If I knew, I wouldn't be asking.

Thanks for the corrections, but I am not absolutely sure they all are. At least twice I was blatantly wrong, as you pointed out; on a few other items I may have squeaked by, but should not have included several boys, especially Kearns on a list of the greatest. Most likiely Bundini too. My bad.

[Willie Pep 229]

Kearns had been a boxer, then he became a boxing manager and a coach, according to Wikipega. I don't think he belongs on this list, but he did train fighters. To what extent, I also do not know. I think his training of Dempsey was near the beginning, maybe the same for Walker. When someone has had 67 pro fights, it makes sense that they would know enough to put some ideas and techniques into their new charge's medicine bag.

I made a mistake saying Bimstein was Marciano's trainer, when I even knew better and just forgot. What a list Whitey had though. The article says he once handled every champion existing in boxing at the time.

Bundini, I do not know about. I included him because he was on Wikipega's list. I always thought of him as Clay's camp cheerleader, so would not have included him on my own volition. His job before Clay might reveal something?

If Lou Duva didn't train at least a few fighters, I would be surprised, but not shocked. It is just a conjecture, but I bet most of the people in the corner of a professional, high-level boxing match have spent some modicum of time coaching, other than the cut man. How many boxers have their manager in the corner? Is that a common practice? I probably never heard of it. Maybe managers do it all the time. If I knew, I wouldn't be asking.

Thanks for the corrections, but I am not absolutely sure they all are. At least twice I was blatantly wrong, as you pointed out; on a few other items I may have squeaked by, but should not have included several boys, especially Kearns on a list of the greatest. Most likiely Bundini too. My bad.

Kearns was always in Dempsey's corner (until he wasn't) but I'm not sure what that makes him. He was the chief second and the one who spoke to Dempsey.

Kearns Story: After the first round in the Firpo fight Dempsey was out of it and asked Kearns what round was a coming up. Kearns had to tell him only 'the second' and Dempsey was aghast.