Archie Moore v Sam Langford At 175lbs 15rds Modern Gloves?

[Ivich]

OK I will, try not to get too pissed at me.

You fill your boots Son.I'm past caring what occurs here.

[Dr. Z]

Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

I find it so difficult to believe all these old timers stories.

That the promoter replaced the horse hair with rabbit fur just makes me shake my head.

Fighters can be very creative when looking for an excuse.

So we should conclude that the scam played as such: the promoter doctored the gloves with rabbit fur, Langford fought unaware that the gloves were wrong (wrong enough for him to notice his punches were ineffective, let alone that they couldn't have felt right on his very experienced fist.) But then the promoter allowed Langford (a negro fighter) to keep the gloves after he fight so he could give them a close examination.

How about I make up my own history?

Langford complained to his people the gloves didn't feel right during the fight, and was at end disappointed in his performance. One if his seconds/entourage/sycophants had once heard a story about 'rabbit fur' doctored gloves and offered the excuse. The group decided that's what must have happened and it became a truth to Langford.

That the gloves were screwed with sure, could well be. Screwing black fighters was part of the White controlled game. But that Langford actually knew what happened needs outside support.

Just me making up history.

But we are knee deep the prize fight stories about doctored gloves, and many are probably true. But you can't take any of them seriously unless there is some other (outside) collaboration.

Livingstone Bramble, during his good years, once excused away his inability to KO his opponent by claiming the leather of the glove came from the soft belly of the cow and made the gloves too soft.

Yeah how about you make up your own history? You seem to have a problem with anything anyone posts or perhaps its just my content ? At any rate make up your own and this Forum will be redundant, its almost there anyway!All anyone will need to do is PM you for the real lowdown on things,and then they can cut out the middle man,the Forum.
It sure ain't gonna bother me ,I've made my last thread here.

Pep, is right. This poster was known as Mcvey and Tonto62 on East Side boxing among other names. All of which are banned there. He admits he was a free mason ( like the nuts who meet in secret ) and gives money to *********s organization. He admits to both! Openly.

" Mandela’s group, the ANC, which was leading the black struggle against the apartheid regime, saying it engaged in "calculated terror ... the mining of roads, the bombings of public places, designed to bring about further repression."

He is an ends justify the means type of person. And one who writes about history to suit his agenda. Sometimes I'd call him out, but according to him I won't have too now because has made his last thread here. Maybe he has, but I tend to doubt it. Rather he will re-register as he has done many times on east side boxing.

[billeau2]

The Old Mongoose against the monstrous hitting Langford, I avoided using his ring Nom de Guerre so as not to cause offence to anyone.Two terrific ****ers who emerges victorious?

I encourage anyone to have a look at a prime Archie... Just an incredible fighting machine... Archie got the beating of his life (according to him) from Burley, and it was finesse. I think he takes Langford. He has the chin and does many things that Sam might not be familiar with. Close fight...

[billeau2]

Pep, is right. This poster was known as Mcvey and Tonto62 on East Side boxing among other names. All of which are banned there. He admits he was a free mason ( like the nuts who meet in secret ) and gives money to *********s organization. He admits to both! Openly.

" Mandela’s group, the ANC, which was leading the black struggle against the apartheid regime, saying it engaged in "calculated terror ... the mining of roads, the bombings of public places, designed to bring about further repression."

He is an ends justify the means type of person. And one who writes about history to suit his agenda. Sometimes I'd call him out, but according to him I won't have too now because has made his last thread here. Maybe he has, but I tend to doubt it. Rather he will re-register as he has done many times on east side boxing.

who gives a shiat?

[Ivich]

I encourage anyone to have a look at a prime Archie... Just an incredible fighting machine... Archie got the beating of his life (according to him) from Burley, and it was finesse. I think he takes Langford. He has the chin and does many things that Sam might not be familiar with. Close fight...

That's a reasonable supposition, I have to take issue about the chin though.Archie didn't have a glass jaw ,but neither was it titanium .
Langford was knocked down a lot ,but rarely stopped,What specifically do you think Archie did that Langford would not have seen? Just a personal enquiry ,.which do you think were Moore's prime years?

[Ivich]

who gives a shiat?

Desperate or what?Lol

ps He left out I'm a devil worshipper,slap babies, and kick dogs.

,Maybe I'll post on those sites I'm supposed to be banned from,I can tell everyone about he and I being here and our touching reunion. I'm certain nobody here has the slightest interest in an old man and his comings and goings,but if anyone's morbid curiosity about me has been even faintly aroused they have only to PM me and I'll truthfully answer any questions appertaining to the BS our friend has been frantically spreading.No need to bore the **** out of the forum with posts that have nothing to do with pugilism.

[billeau2]

That's a reasonable supposition, I have to take issue about the chin though.Archie didn't have a glass jaw ,but neither was it titanium .
Langford was knocked down a lot ,but rarely stopped,What specifically do you think Archie did that Langford would not have seen? Just a personal enquiry ,.which do you think were Moore's prime years?

I don't remember what the time was specifically when I saw a prime Archie. I just remember seeing how young and nicely he moved and his age was obviously in a range of late twenties, early thirties. Regarding his chin, it was not one of the best but he could take good shots, yeah not Titanium, I think he could take Sam's shots, off of a deflection. Sam was a monster puncher but he often was obvious when in attack mode.

I think Archie would be able to deflect and counter Sam. Archie had great control of angles and could use his shoulders and guards really well to deflect shots then counter. His KO's? I believe quite a few of them came off of counters in this fashion. For a visual? James Toney like... Toney who allegedlly idolized Archie and copied his mentor.

But langford could win this imo... Would not suprise me.

Oh shiat... forgot to answer specifically. I think Sam was a fire on fire type guy... He beat some great guys he could eventually punch through and into... I think Moorer has a level of finesse and use of angles for entry that preclassical guys were not so familiar with. So Archies head and shoulder movements would not be familiar to Langford imo.

[Willow The Wisp]

Prediction? I love Ol' Archie. An Idol. A legend of high order. But Tham, the BTB at his bulky best ain't losing to no colored fighter under 175 lbs no-how. Langford by a KO, Leonard Morrow style.

[billeau2]

That's a reasonable supposition, I have to take issue about the chin though.Archie didn't have a glass jaw ,but neither was it titanium .
Langford was knocked down a lot ,but rarely stopped,What specifically do you think Archie did that Langford would not have seen? Just a personal enquiry ,.which do you think were Moore's prime years?

Gosh... I went back to Youtube to try to find the vid I saw of a younger Archie and its hard to find something with him in the golden age range! Dude was born old!

Here is the Valdez fight... A lot of golden material here lol, but not exactly what I want...

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You know? I wish I had bookmarked the fight I saw now... Palmslap.

[billeau2]

So look at this fight with Washington. Notice something often overlooked. People talk about Archie's cross guard and you can see the head and shoulder movement... But watch his subtle angle of entry, it is at a slight 15 degree, or so point, and watch how he sets up just off the fighting line by subtle degrees. These subtleties actually drive the success of the other things the Old Mongoose does. Angles shortcut lines... geometrically, always. By making the fighting line appear straight, Archie gets a few bits of reach/length... and when he goes back it makes it look like he is more hittable than he actually is.

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