Louis vs Charles

[Ivich]

This is why I point out the fact that only 10 of 32 scored it for Louis. You can still see some of the rounds, and the crowds reaction to the decision was that of sound booing and hissing. Watch it. Louis knows he lost and his body language reflects that. I have spoken to people that have passed and they said Walcott won the fight. They saw it. The fights went 15 rounds and was not scored under the modern 10 point must system. If it was Walcott has two 10-8 rounds and wins easy...even with his judges that were booed. Pay attention to what I wrote, the best five men who Lewis fought beat him under modern rules.

Louis did not think he lost the fight he said on National TV that he won it, and he repeated that statement in his autobiography.

Louis and Walcott on "The Way it Was." Part 1. - YouTube

Louis and Walcott on "The Way it Was". Part 2. - YouTube

[Willow The Wisp]

It's a boxing site what would you like us to debate over?
The effect of impressionism on early cinema?
What is Hemingway's best novel?
Is W H Auden a better poet than Dylan Thomas?
Is Kurosawa a finer director than Martin Scorsese?
Did Eisenstein invent the montage in films when he made Battleship Potemkin?
Has anyone equalled Sinatra as an interpreter of the Great American Song Book?
Was George Gershwin an authentic genius?
Is Depardieu the best actor to come out of France?
Did The Marshal Plan save post war Germany?

Meh, if debate and degrade is your thing, do it with zest.
Depardieu?! Jesus no. Have you not seen The Wonder Man, Hold Everything, La symphonie pathétique or A Gypsy Cavalier? Golly.

[HOUDINI563]

In 1938 Louis koed Schmeling in two minutes. Schmeling beat a Louis that was only 2 years into his pro career.

An old Louis koed Walcott in their rematch in devastating fashion. Walcott was a very beatable heavyweight. Take a look at his record.

Marciano fought a shot Louis in the very final bout of his career.

How do you extrapolate that these opponents beat prime Louis under any circumstances?

[Ivich]

Meh, if debate and degrade is your thing, do it with zest.
Depardieu?! Jesus no. Have you not seen The Wonder Man, Hold Everything, La symphonie pathétique or A Gypsy Cavalier? Golly.

I was trying to put into perspective the emphasis on statistics,nobody was degraded by my remarks. Yes debate is my thing,what other reason would there be for posting here?
ps I watched ,Cocteau's Orphee on my pc last night.
ORPHÉE / ORPHEUS (1950) with subtitles / subtítulos / Untertitel - YouTube

My favourite French film is Les Infants Du Paradis,those I threw out were just throw away examples of random subjects. No I've not seen any of those films.
Thanks for the heads up!

Have you seen Le Grand Illusion?
Favourite French actors Jean Gabin,Phillipe Noiret, Daniel Autiel,Jean Rochefort.Yves Montand
Actresses Stephanie Audran, Jean Moreau,Simone Signoret,Isabelle Huppert.

[Ivich]

In 1938 Louis koed Schmeling in two minutes. Schmeling beat a Louis that was only 2 years into his pro career.

An old Louis koed Walcott in their rematch in devastating fashion. Walcott was a very beatable heavyweight. Take a look at his record.

Marciano fought a shot Louis in the very final bout of his career.

How do you extrapolate that these opponents beat prime Louis under any circumstances?

Facts can be stretched, spun, twisted,to suit agenda's, and often are.

[Dr. Z]

Louis did not think he lost the fight he said on National TV that he won it, and he repeated that statement in his autobiography.

Louis and Walcott on "The Way it Was." Part 1. - YouTube

Louis and Walcott on "The Way it Was". Part 2. - YouTube

He felt he lost it, but did not admit it publicly. All fighters say the won it when awarded the fight by the three judges. I can not think of one who didn't. But my point remains the best boxers he fought either beat him out right in 15 rounds scheduled fights, save bogus score card in Walcott 1 which I chronicled or would have beaten him under 12 rounds and modern rules.

If you think Louis won the first fight with Walcott you in the minority of those who saw it complete, and like I said the fight wasn't under the 10 point must system.

[Ivich]

He felt he lost it, but did not admit it publicly. All fighters say the won it when awarded the fight by the three judges. I can not think of one who didn't. But my point remains the best boxers he fought either beat him out right in 15 rounds scheduled fights, save bogus score card in Walcott 1 which I chronicled or would have beaten him under 12 rounds and modern rules.

If you think Louis won the first fight with Walcott you in the minority of those who saw it complete, and like I said the fight wasn't under the 10 point must system.

He said in print and on national TV that he felt he won it but you can read his mind and know better? Bye!

[Dr. Z]

He said in print and on national TV that he felt he won it but you can read his mind and know better? Bye!

All fighters who get award the fight say they won it in public. I challenge you to find me two in history that say they did not. You won't go there, I fairly certain of it. Louis said I'm sorry Joe, after the decision was announced. One that was booed and it involved Joe Louis in his house of Madison square garden. A place where he fought numerous times with his " judges "

Read this excellent article for a historian web site.


" Once the scorecards were read, with referee Ruby Goldstein voting for Walcott but the two ringside judges, inexplicably, giving the fight to Louis, the crowd erupted in an astonished outcry. And the winner and still champion did not smile or raise his arms in triumph, but instead made his way to Walcott, shook his hand, and said, “I’m sorry " Joe.

”https://www.thefightcity.com/joe-lou...joe-walcott-i/

Deposit the proof, I think you won't change your mind so Bye

[Ivich]

All fighters who get award the fight say they won it in public. I challenge you to find me two in history that say they did not. You won't go there, I fairly certain of it. Louis said I'm sorry Joe, after the decision was announced. One that was booed and it involved Joe Louis in his house of Madison square garden. A place where he fought numerous times with his " judges "

Read this excellent article for a historian web site.


" Once the scorecards were read, with referee Ruby Goldstein voting for Walcott but the two ringside judges, inexplicably, giving the fight to Louis, the crowd erupted in an astonished outcry. And the winner and still champion did not smile or raise his arms in triumph, but instead made his way to Walcott, shook his hand, and said, “I’m sorry " Joe.

”https://www.thefightcity.com/joe-lou...joe-walcott-i/

Deposit the proof, I think you won't change your mind so Bye

Louis had only two defences in MSG that went the distance the referees and judges for both were totally different The1st Godoy fight had George Lecron as a judge ,he scored it10-4 for Louis He never judged Louis again.Tommy Shortell had the fight 4.10 for Godoy .
Arthur Donovan had the fight 10-5 for Louis as did the NY Times and other reporters.
"Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times
The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Lecron had it 10-4-1 in rounds for Louis. Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result."
Your statement is not supported by fact.

[Ivich]

All fighters who get award the fight say they won it in public. I challenge you to find me two in history that say they did not. You won't go there, I fairly certain of it. Louis said I'm sorry Joe, after the decision was announced. One that was booed and it involved Joe Louis in his house of Madison square garden. A place where he fought numerous times with his " judges "

Read this excellent article for a historian web site.


" Once the scorecards were read, with referee Ruby Goldstein voting for Walcott but the two ringside judges, inexplicably, giving the fight to Louis, the crowd erupted in an astonished outcry. And the winner and still champion did not smile or raise his arms in triumph, but instead made his way to Walcott, shook his hand, and said, “I’m sorry " Joe.

”https://www.thefightcity.com/joe-lou...joe-walcott-i/

Deposit the proof, I think you won't change your mind so Bye

Louis had only two defences in MSG that went the distance the referees and judges for both were totally different The1st Godoy fight had George Lecron as a judge ,he scored it10-4 for Louis .Tommy Shortell had the fight 4.10 for Godoy .
Arthur Donovan had the fight 10-5 for Louis as did the NY Times and other reporters.
"Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times
The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Lecron had it 10-4-1 in rounds for Louis. Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result.

Well respected writers such as
Red Smith
BillCorum
James Dawson
Jesse Abramson
Nat Fleischer
All voted for Louis against Walcott
Were they all his judges too?And how about the other reporters that voted for Louis?