youtube channel with upscaled old fights

[QueensburyRules]

very high quality of rocky and charles

Charles is heavier than rocky - shouldn't Rocky get credit for beating maybe the greatest lhw ever and being smaller?

check this channel out, many of the framerates are ai restored and the movements and detail are much better

You can really see the phenominal skills of both men evenRocky. charles is as savvy as they come, the subtle rolls and slips and set ups

- - Buddy took his beating like a man.

[them_apples]

I'm not discrediting him, I'm asking a valid question. Personally I think Charles was significantly diminished after their first fight ,15 rds with a relentless attrition puncher at that stage of your career will do that.

Some say Walcott was at his best. He was older, but his early career wasn't really his best body of work. He got his big shots later and really got up for this fights.

[kara]

Great images - thanks for posting.

I wish they were the complete fights with the original announcers.

I really enjoy the old time introductions, the excitement of the live announcer, and when applicable the TV commercials. It brings together the whole historical experience.

But the images are the best I've seen.

The old announcers would have been gold.

[Ivich]

Some say Walcott was at his best. He was older, but his early career wasn't really his best body of work. He got his big shots later and really got up for this fights.

News flash ,no boxer is at his best at age 38! Walcott was the champion yet he was the betting underdog for both fights, why was that if he was perceived as being at his best?
Walcott was never highly regarded during the 50's or 60's, he has benefited from some revisionism in recent years but was never thought of as a great champion when he was fighting nor for a decade after.I'm not referring to his early years I'm referring to his prime and he was inconsistant even during that.

[them_apples]

News flash ,no boxer is at his best at age 38! Walcott was the champion yet he was the betting underdog for both fights, why was that if he was perceived as being at his best?
Walcott was never highly regarded during the 50's or 60's, he has benefited from some revisionism in recent years but was never thought of as a great champion when he was fighting nor for a decade after.I'm not referring to his early years I'm referring to his prime and he was inconsistant even during that.

NEWS flash! yes they can be, if they were young and didn't have any skills, the older more experienced version might be "the best version" we ever get to see of them. the sport isn't entirely all youth and athleticism. Not every fighters career pans out the same, Walcott quit boxing halfway through his career.

Hopkins prime was probably around the same age, even a bit older.

[Ivich]

NEWS flash! yes they can be, if they were young and didn't have any skills, the older more experienced version might be "the best version" we ever get to see of them. the sport isn't entirely all youth and athleticism. Not every fighters career pans out the same, Walcott quit boxing halfway through his career.

Hopkins prime was probably around the same age, even a bit older.

They may have, because of varying circumstances, had their best fights in later years ,that is not the same thing as being in their prime!Archie Moore stated he was some way past his prime when he fought Marciano ,he also stated his legs were gone. Not only do your legs and reflexes erode as you age your ability to take a punch diminishes.Louis commented on this after Rocky beat him when he compared his ko by Schmeling to his loss to Rocky.

[them_apples]

They may have, because of varying circumstances, had their best fights in later years ,that is not the same thing as being in their prime!Archie Moore stated he was some way past his prime when he fought Marciano ,he also stated his legs were gone. Not only do your legs and reflexes erode as you age your ability to take a punch diminishes.Louis commented on this after Rocky beat him when he compared his ko by Schmeling to his loss to Rocky.

when I say prime that's what I mean. the best version of the said fighter. I thought Archie looked a bit better in his later 30's as well.

I am not saying that every fighters prime is later on, most aren't if they started early. I'm saying the experience and skill advantage can overcome youth on occasion. Louis prime was certainly in his younger years - he was a polished fighter in his mid 20's. Some of these guys had the hard road though.

It's foolish to instantly categorize a fighters prime based on age only, some even peak early because they stop caring later on. I think Marcianos prime was some of his later fights. He admitted the toll on his body was hard to keep training like that - but his skillset had really improved near the end of his career. I don't think he would have beat Charles early on.

On top of this age is a human construct. Some people live to 60 and some live to 120. The body doesn't know any different. Some guys are very fit and strong in their 30's, some fade quick and fall apart.

just to clarify for some people. I'm NOT SAYING AGE DOESN'T MATTER. not necessarily directed at you, but lately this forum has been filling up with clowns who can't read.

[Ivich]

when I say prime that's what I mean. the best version of the said fighter. I thought Archie looked a bit better in his later 30's as well.

I am not saying that every fighters prime is later on, most aren't if they started early. I'm saying the experience and skill advantage can overcome youth on occasion. Louis prime was certainly in his younger years - he was a polished fighter in his mid 20's. Some of these guys had the hard road though.

It's foolish to instantly categorize a fighters prime based on age only, some even peak early because they stop caring later on. I think Marcianos prime was some of his later fights. He admitted the toll on his body was hard to keep training like that - but his skillset had really improved near the end of his career. I don't think he would have beat Charles early on.

On top of this age is a human construct. Some people live to 60 and some live to 120. The body doesn't know any different. Some guys are very fit and strong in their 30's, some fade quick and fall apart.

just to clarify for some people. I'm NOT SAYING AGE DOESN'T MATTER. not necessarily directed at you, but lately this forum has been filling up with clowns who can't read.

I don't disagree with you here.It's all good and debate is what we are here for.

[QueensburyRules]

News flash ,no boxer is at his best at age 38! Walcott was the champion yet he was the betting underdog for both fights, why was that if he was perceived as being at his best?
Walcott was never highly regarded during the 50's or 60's, he has benefited from some revisionism in recent years but was never thought of as a great champion when he was fighting nor for a decade after.I'm not referring to his early years I'm referring to his prime and he was inconsistant even during that.

- - U in desperate need of revisionism.

In my World Book Encyclopedia ca 1959 of my youth under Boxing, after the usual breakdown of rules and era and noted fighters, they had a champions section in which Rocky, Ez, JJ received top billing as the best sets of fights in any era, Two each with Rocky and Four with each other.

Prime is a conceptual term dependent on the sport and the individual. Some have long primes like some have long lives, others short primes and lives. I had a very long prime, but I also had times of inactivity and injury where even though I was in a traditional prime age, I weren't feeling prime.

JJ peaked at the end of his career, ie the prime of his career independent of age. Git thee to thy minder to set U straight.

[Ivich]

- - U in desperate need of revisionism.

In my World Book Encyclopedia ca 1959 of my youth under Boxing, after the usual breakdown of rules and era and noted fighters, they had a champions section in which Rocky, Ez, JJ received top billing as the best sets of fights in any era, Two each with Rocky and Four with each other.

Prime is a conceptual term dependent on the sport and the individual. Some have long primes like some have long lives, others short primes and lives. I had a very long prime, but I also had times of inactivity and injury where even though I was in a traditional prime age, I weren't feeling prime.

JJ peaked at the end of his career, ie the prime of his career independent of age. Git thee to thy minder to set U straight.

Do you seriously believe I give any gravitas to your drivel? Why do you persist in trying to engage with me ?
Surely by now you know I see you as about as relevant as a bucket under a bull?

Your World Book Encyclopedia? Oh my ****ing Good God! It's so infinitely sad!
U in desperate need of a brain transplant,one from a halfwit would increase your mental capacity by 50%!