Which Statistical Data Could Shed The Most Light

[The Old LefHook]

If a man were to collect boxing data, which data might provide meaningful insights? Taking all suggestions.

[DeeMoney]

I'm probably going to take this in a different direction than what you were looking for, but I'd like data that cross references individual judges scoring per round relative to what goes on in the ring.

If a man could database various events in a fight and when they took place: punches thrown, punch type, land (clean, partial, miss), punch land location, ring location, force of punch (yeah I know thats rather subjective, but you could have a few broad bands to chose from), etc. etc.

If you had all this information per fight, and then cross referenced it with judges cards, you'd get a picture of what specifically each judge seems to look for/ favors. This would be pertinent in judge selection and standardization of judging across the board. Moreover, it would help weed out corruption; if Judge 'A' tends to favor fighters who land a lot of punches, then in a specific fight gives a bunch of close rounds to an 'A-Side' who wasn't landing a lot but sticking & moving.....well that would point to a problem.

Of course, those in power have nothing to gain from this, so I doubt they'd support it.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Knockouts take the fight out of the little hands of the 3 blind mice even though sometimes administered via dodgy ref calls on dodgy promotions, ie first Michael Dokes/Mike Weaver farce, a DKing promotion.

[Ivich]

If a man were to collect boxing data, which data might provide meaningful insights? Taking all suggestions.

The real winner of all those NWS?
How many of the bouts between the great black fighters of yesteryear were truly 100% contested?

[billeau2]

If a man were to collect boxing data, which data might provide meaningful insights? Taking all suggestions.

Ive weighed in on this before Lefty. I would like to know probabilities. As many as one could program in... based on every sanctioned bout ever (a computer could do this) what is the difference in probable success for a puncher during a 15 round fight versus a 12 round fight? Things like that... We could then tell when a fighter truly does something remarkable... and we can have a knowledge base of information that might help us actually predict 100% one day, and if we could... we could back test and actually maybe answer questions about "who would win?"

Imagine having a computer that could tell you who would win if Louis, in his prime, had a ham and egg sandwich yesterday, and fought Frazier in his prime... lol.

[billeau2]

The real winner of all those NWS?
How many of the bouts between the great black fighters of yesteryear were truly 100% contested?

The great Black fighters of old might one day serve us as a data base. Considering that many fought each other many times, had decisive victories... and being relatively small in numbers.

[Willie Pep 229]

Start with the basics and then look for the exotic intangible stuff. ?????

Until some knew technology actually is innovated we're probably not going to be able to break any new ground that The Ring or a dozen other ranking agents haven't already addressed.

[Bundana]

The real winner of all those NWS?
How many of the bouts between the great black fighters of yesteryear were truly 100% contested?

Yes, that would be interesting to know... and not just fights between black boxers! I've often wondered, how many of those ND contests that went the distance (NWS) were for real (where they were actually trying their best to win) - and how many were more like exhibition-style "fights", where the main purpose for both boxers was to see the final bell unscathed.,

[Willie Pep 229]

Yes, that would be interesting to know... and not just fights between black boxers! I've often wondered, how many of those ND contests that went the distance (NWS) were for real (where they were actually trying their best to win) - and how many were more like exhibition-style "fights", where the main purpose for both boxers was to see the final bell unscathed.,

The first Jeffries-Corbett fight at Coney Island was a championship fight. But the fans who knew that Corbett and Jeffries were friends and also had no trust whatsoever in promoter Bill Brady, convinced themselves that the heavily favored Jeffries had no intention of hurting his older mentor and friend Jim Corbett, and expected this fight might well turn into a no-effort fight at their expense, literally.

This distrust lead to the crowd refusing to bet on the fight. This was a major problem because a percentage of the gambled money along with the gate admission went to covering the fighters' purse.

It took local, and popularly trusted Referee Charley White to insure the crowd that if he suspected the fighters weren't 'giving it their all' he would stop the contest and all bets would be called off.

My point being, that non-effort fights were common enough that even a HW Chsmpionship fight could fall under su****ion.

P.S. Referee White didn't trust Bill Brady either and held up the start of the fight until he had his $500 fee (in cash) safely in his pocket. (He wouldn't take Brady's bank check.)

P.S.S. That's why in 1922 when Brady announced he was ready to front $200,000 for a Dempsey-Wills go, no one took him seriously. His reputation was always shady and by 1922 he had become a 'joke' in the boxing world, but yet a joke no one trusted.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes, that would be interesting to know... and not just fights between black boxers! I've often wondered, how many of those ND contests that went the distance (NWS) were for real (where they were actually trying their best to win) - and how many were more like exhibition-style "fights", where the main purpose for both boxers was to see the final bell unscathed.,

- - Primary motive then was to stay out of jail just like it for any cognitive citizen today.

Pretty rough engaging in the most natural sport in the world only to have the authorities, Holy Rollers, and intellectuals want to nail em up in a Jail cell with a lucrative fine as the get out of jail card.