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  • Too much natural estrogen is more like it. You were a trans pioneer before trans was cool.

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    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

      - - Do a bowl of jelly consider wif U?

      Most of Conte's clients that went to jail were Olympic athletes, Marion Jones preeminent among them. BALCO had em passing Olympic tests. Mosely and Balco Barry were also passing their drug tests, but having made more $$$ than Olympians, they had access to better lawyers and the inside judicial graft that got them off the hook.

      Have U ever considered hiring a script reader to screen U responses so as to not appear so incompetent as U do?

      I don't need Conte. My prob growing up was too much natural testa that probably wouldn't pass Olympic drug testing, and I'm not alone.
      Yeah you can use blood doping. But even that is harder now. I didnt know Balco scammed the olympics as well. Obv the dudes smart as hell

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      • Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

        It was Pacquiao who dodged Mayweather due to Olympic style drug testing

        Floyd was willing to take the tests. Pacquiao wasn't.

        In situations like that you certainly don't give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who is refusing to test.
        You also don’t bust out olympic style drug testing out of the blue when you aren’t the commission. He had no right to do that. He dodged him. Pacquiao was likely cheating though, but so are many others, including Mayweather.

        it doesn’t make any sense the create some clause and then blame the other person for ducking. Why didn’t Pacquiao demand the fight took place in the philipines? And if Floyd rejected it - blame him for ducking?

        I never saw Floyd do OSDT ever in his career, magically he demands it against Pacquiao. Odd.

        I fully agree I think Pac was doping, I also think Floyd straight up ducked him and only cares about money.
        Last edited by them_apples; 07-12-2022, 01:21 AM.

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        • Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post


          Too much natural estrogen is more like it. You were a trans pioneer before trans was cool.
          - - U sound like an pioneering estrogen expert before I was born. What grade U in now?

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          • Originally posted by them_apples View Post
            You also don’t bust out olympic style drug testing out of the blue when you aren’t the commission. He had no right to do that. He dodged him. Pacquiao was likely cheating though, but so are many others, including Mayweather.

            it doesn’t make any sense the create some clause and then blame the other person for ducking. Why didn’t Pacquiao demand the fight took place in the philipines? And if Floyd rejected it - blame him for ducking?

            I never saw Floyd do OSDT ever in his career, magically he demands it against Pacquiao. Odd.

            I fully agree I think Pac was doping, I also think Floyd straight up ducked him and only cares about money.
            At the end of the day asking for strict testing isn't a bad thing. It just ensures that both fighters are on a level playing field.

            Pacquiao running away from it was suspect as hell. As you admit he was likely on something.

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            • Make doping legal but not mandatory. However, advise all boxers to partake of 'roids and any helpful substances, lest they find themselves facing an enraged, well-doped man or lady. Boxers do not care about themselves anyway, or they would not be boxers, so let them go ahead, it will help create new interest in the sport. ******** facing tiny, normal men then becomes possible, and should be of particular interest to all.

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              • Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                Make doping legal but not mandatory. However, advise all boxers to partake of 'roids and any helpful substances, lest they find themselves facing an enraged, well-doped man or lady. Boxers do not care about themselves anyway, or they would not be boxers, so let them go ahead, it will help create new interest in the sport. ******** facing tiny, normal men then becomes possible, and should be of particular interest to all.
                I'm with this, I don't think doping gives anyone that much of an advantage - once you put on weight it just means up a class you go. And for every fighter that dopes and wins, there's another fighter on all the gear in the world he's getting knocked out in every fight.

                All the fighters that jumped weight with help of substances actually looked better in lower weight classes and fought better fighters as well. They all jump up in weight and also seem to pick easier fights.

                Holyfield definitely didn't improve by the time he was walking around at 220. His best was 175 and maybe cruiser if had campaigned there. Problem is at LHW he was facing prime qawi and was also still a bit green. Which is a very very tough fight. and at HW, well, he wasn't beating everyone.

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                • Originally posted by them_apples View Post

                  I'm with this, I don't think doping gives anyone that much of an advantage - once you put on weight it just means up a class you go. And for every fighter that dopes and wins, there's another fighter on all the gear in the world he's getting knocked out in every fight.

                  All the fighters that jumped weight with help of substances actually looked better in lower weight classes and fought better fighters as well. They all jump up in weight and also seem to pick easier fights.

                  Holyfield definitely didn't improve by the time he was walking around at 220. His best was 175 and maybe cruiser if had campaigned there. Problem is at LHW he was facing prime qawi and was also still a bit green. Which is a very very tough fight. and at HW, well, he wasn't beating everyone.
                  - - Field fought tubby cruiser Qawi champ at 190 and almost died. Qawi had been chased out of 175 by the masterclass Mike Spinks hit him up with.

                  Prob being exacerbated is U ain't come within' a 1000 miles of proving U "key point" in U header.

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                  • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                    - - Field fought tubby cruiser Qawi champ at 190 and almost died. Qawi had been chased out of 175 by the masterclass Mike Spinks hit him up with.

                    Prob being exacerbated is U ain't come within' a 1000 miles of proving U "key point" in U header.
                    well spinks at 175 might have been the best ever, outside of charles and Moore, but even then I'd like to see them all go at it

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                    • Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                      Make doping legal but not mandatory. However, advise all boxers to partake of 'roids and any helpful substances, lest they find themselves facing an enraged, well-doped man or lady. Boxers do not care about themselves anyway, or they would not be boxers, so let them go ahead, it will help create new interest in the sport. ******** facing tiny, normal men then becomes possible, and should be of particular interest to all.
                      No, this is wrong.

                      Should fashion models have their back molars pulled so they get that gaunt look?

                      The Austrian government, circa 1700s, had to make false saprano performances illegal to stop the infant castrations. Big money on the table.

                      How long before some 'Dad' starts injecting his 14 year old son, back hands mom for interfering, all because he wants to retire early?

                      No Lefty, people are scum bags; opportunity can lead quickly to greed and then force terrible decision making.

                      We need laws to protect the weak from predators, and the ****** from themselves.

                      Individualism is nice in philosophy but usually results in much disfunctional behavior.

                      In past child ******ation occured less because people were watched by family and neighbors. Community discipline.

                      Today in a nation of strangers there is no community and with a belief that all government is tyranny, there is no one to discipline the predators until the hurt has been done.

                      Most can't handle being an individual and making their own decisions, we need to regulate and hope we don't cross the line to tyranny.

                      P.S. Juiced ******** shouldn't be allowed to fight small men, it's unfair. Juiced ******** should fight juiced bull dykes.

                      I am curious to see if "d ykes" turns into ******
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