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    The heavyweight champion has never been the toughest man in the world, though he was traditionally called that, unless he came from an ancient time our own historian Margie might delineate. A modern heavyweight champion--1900--2020 has never been the toughest man in the world, count on it. He might have been in the top 20, though.

    Because it still takes a hell of a rassler to manhandle some of the hunks of beef who have been heavyweight champion, and take them down and submit them.

    Grapplers will be hit by the likes of Foreman, Liston and the Klitchkos, while they come in to attempt their throwing move. Many rasslers will be groggy enough after even a glancing blow for the boxer to KO them right there.

    But then you have the really tough rasslers and judo men and other hand by hand combat practitioners. A glancing blow does not prevent them from tackling the boxer. Once tackled, he is baby-helpless. For he is the king of standing fists, not even the king of sprawling fists. A boxer is a baby once taken down by the rassler/grappler. We all learned this early in the history of UFC, if we didn't know it already.

    Using fists alone while standing, the heavyweight champion of boxing is the toughest man in the world. No other man can beat him with only bunched fists. But let a practitioner of another art use even an open hand, and the results might change. Let him kick, and they almost certainly will change. Throw in rassling, too, and the boxer is going to lose.

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    I remember way back in time when in rural areas street fights took place under a very loose version of the Marquis of Queensbury rules, at least for the first few minutes. They always started in a boxing pose and kicking was considered girlish and cheating. Those days are gone. Now they gang **** you, steal your wallet and take turns feeding you your own teeth with their shoes, until you bore them.

    * * * * *

    It seems maybe the more stylized a combat sport, the less effective it might be in a wide open context. There are all these rules, things you cannot do. The boxer must strike with the correct portion of the glove, whereas the other practitioner can even use a chop, if he chooses, and can kick and rassle as well. The boxer is by far under more strict guidelines.

    If everyone had to fight under the same prohibitions as the boxer, the boxing heavyweight champion would indeed be the toughest man alive.
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  • #2
    Given the size of heavyweights these days, they are the toughest men out there.

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    • #3
      Sumo Rasslers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by markusmod View Post
        Given the size of heavyweights these days, they are the toughest men out there.
        Oh, size. Valuev had to be the best, then, didn't he?

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        • #5
          Ngannou is the baddest man alive.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by YGriffith View Post
            Ngannou is the baddest man alive.
            Might be. But probably not in a pure boxing match.

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            • #7
              I would rather see Ngannou vs Wilder, than Fury.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post

                Oh, size. Valuev had to be the best, then, didn't he?
                Against a normal citizen he is.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by markusmod View Post

                  Against a normal citizen he is.
                  No shìt, halfwit. Any professional boxer beats a normal citizen.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                    The heavyweight champion has never been the toughest man in the world, though he was traditionally called that, unless he came from an ancient time our own historian Margie might delineate. A modern heavyweight champion--1900--2020 has never been the toughest man in the world, count on it. He might have been in the top 20, though.

                    Because it still takes a hell of a rassler to manhandle some of the hunks of beef who have been heavyweight champion, and take them down and submit them.

                    Grapplers will be hit by the likes of Foreman, Liston and the Klitchkos, while they come in to attempt their throwing move. Many rasslers will be groggy enough after even a glancing blow for the boxer to KO them right there.

                    But then you have the really tough rasslers and judo men and other hand by hand combat practitioners. A glancing blow does not prevent them from tackling the boxer. Once tackled, he is baby-helpless. For he is the king of standing fists, not even the king of sprawling fists. A boxer is a baby once taken down by the rassler/grappler. We all learned this early in the history of UFC, if we didn't know it already.

                    Using fists alone while standing, the heavyweight champion of boxing is the toughest man in the world. No other man can beat him with only bunched fists. But let a practitioner of another art use even an open hand, and the results might change. Let him kick, and they almost certainly will change. Throw in rassling, too, and the boxer is going to lose.

                    * * * * *

                    I remember way back in time when in rural areas street fights took place under a very loose version of the Marquis of Queensbury rules, at least for the first few minutes. They always started in a boxing pose and kicking was considered girlish and cheating. Those days are gone. Now they gang **** you, steal your wallet and take turns feeding you your own teeth with their shoes, until you bore them.

                    * * * * *

                    It seems maybe the more stylized a combat sport, the less effective it might be in a wide open context. There are all these rules, things you cannot do. The boxer must strike with the correct portion of the glove, whereas the other practitioner can even use a chop, if he chooses, and can kick and rassle as well. The boxer is by far under more strict guidelines.

                    If everyone had to fight under the same prohibitions as the boxer, the boxing heavyweight champion would indeed be the toughest man alive.
                    In the English speaking world, there is a clean fight, a dirty fight and a wrestling match. For a boxer required to adapt his skills to a dirty fight, simply jab to the eyes wih two fingers extended. Might miss, could break a finger, but amongst all martial artists the boxers are by far best suited to hit the mark; and after they do, all the shoots, sweeps, knees, elbows, head buts, throws, submission holds, bites, chokes, fish hooks and ground grappling on earth won't be enough. Nothing is certain in a fight, but a boxer able to use his skills beyond what the Marquis of Queensbury might prescribe is certainly certain. See Ray Mercer KO 1 (:09) 2x UFC champion Tim Sylvia as the cleanest example of this principle in action. Not sure what "Toughest man" is, and it is probably the one holding the length of pipe at the right moment; but should one wish to focus his training on the rules that make lasting history best and best pay the rent, boxing stands alone; and all other arts, styles, systems and combat sports are LESS of an aspiration.

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