Sanctioning Bodies, Commissions, Laws, and such nonsense

[Anthony342]

Even when I try my best to believe Ring or TBRB is more than a popularity contest I do not see how they can ever be more than a promotional title. TBRB can't enforce their ratings, call mandos, etc.


It's crazy to me how guys talk about X moved up without fighting anyone on the top ten. That's all Ring and TBRB can do. Rate people regardless of who they fight. They can't enforce, which means they can't fix anything.

Well then they SHOULD enforce. Otherwise, what's the point of having rules? Make the fighters earn their rankings and if they don't, they don't get ranked or lose their rankings they have.

[The Old LefHook]

Well then they SHOULD enforce. Otherwise, what's the point of having rules? Make the fighters earn their rankings and if they don't, they don't get ranked or lose their rankings they have.

Each organization should be forced to have the same top ten as all the other orgs, no exceptions. This small move would end a lot of their garbage right there and send them scrambling back to the drawing board, to see what new shenanigans they could come up with. Start forcing them to do things they hate.

[Willow The Wisp]

Fine stuff Marchegiano.

[Marchegiano]

Well then they SHOULD enforce. Otherwise, what's the point of having rules? Make the fighters earn their rankings and if they don't, they don't get ranked or lose their rankings they have.

I agree! I think it's a shame folks lean on lineal, ring, and tbrb when what we really ought to do is harass the **** out of the official 4.

I'd be down to message them on a schedule. If we can get a ring of fellas to make sure they're hit every day I am sure we can change things.

[Marchegiano]

Each organization should be forced to have the same top ten as all the other orgs, no exceptions. This small move would end a lot of their garbage right there and send them scrambling back to the drawing board, to see what new shenanigans they could come up with. Start forcing them to do things they hate.

Interesting idea. four bodies come together to form one rating board? each sends one delegate with say TBRB or some such similar only for tie breaking. Some such like that would be pretty cool and I agree, one rating board would work wonders for our sport.

[Marchegiano]

Fine stuff Marchegiano.

It's a bit old, I've not read this in years, but I appreciate it. When I did it, it took months to compile.

[Willie Pep 229]

Scantioning bodies are marketing companies.

They sell a product to broadcasters, who in turn want variety and even some (contolled) competion between the bodies.

Why in God's good name would they or the scantioning bodies want to cooperate/unite/set real standards: Because it would be 'fair'?

Do you all really think any of the players involved (including the fighters themselves) want this; BTW who is doing your 'forcing' - government?

We can't get healthcare for people but you guys figure fairness in prize fighting should be mandated.

You guys do entertain when you get your ethical asses up on your shoulders.

Look at Teofimo Lopez - it looks like his whole career may have come down to 16 fights. He got to be a champion; made big money; and may have escaped with his brains intacted all in just 16 fights.

How? The marketing power of Arum and the WBC and their relationship with broadcasting. He was handled brilliantly.

You think that kid makes that kind of money, with that few fights, in your proposed world of 'fairness'?

Who are you all to decide ('force') that kid should take multiple beatings before he can make big money with a championship fight?

The guardians of boxing?

Television is happy; the fighters are happy; the scantioning bodies are marketing companies and they don't have time or room for your ethical standards.

You want purity? The lineal title is all you can hope to be pure and that means so much less money for so many different people. So why do that?

The system as it is, works great for all the players save for a handful of purist writing on an Internet(s) forum.

How dare you selfishly want it to be fair.

[Marchegiano]

Scantioning bodies are marketing companies.

Ring is marketing. Sanctioning bodies make rules

They sell a product to broadcasters, who in turn want variety and even some (contolled) competion between the bodies.

We are the customers. If ********** can do it on a larger scale we can too. Disney's full of ladies, lgbt, asians, black folks, latinos, and ***s to the point where they give false depictions of our actual populations. It'd be pretty hard to meet a crew of workers or friends with the demographics being shown on TV right now. We have the same ability as the LGBT, probably more given we are the main demographic and they're just less than 1% of a population.

Why in God's good name would they or the scantioning bodies want to cooperate/unite/set real standards: Because it would be 'fair'?

Because we demand it.

Do you all really think any of the players involved (including the fighters themselves) want this; BTW who is doing your 'forcing' - government?

No, and no. Enforcement is stripping and fines, you know this.

We can't get healthcare for people but you guys figure fairness in prize fighting should be mandated.

Actually, athletic commission seem okay to me. They seem to do their job. I don't care for how they're comprised of folks who have no experience or knowledge of the sport, mayor's cousins and such nonsense, but I don't think you really have beef with the actual government end of authority in boxing. Well, the judging is not great but the enforcement is pretty good.

You guys do entertain when you get your ethical asses up on your shoulders.

I only got a gist of what you mean to say here.

Look at Teofimo Lopez - it looks like his whole career may have come down to 16 fights. He got to be a champion; made big money; and may have escaped with his brains intacted all in just 16 fights.

Everything about boxing is making money, we are the money.

How? The marketing power of Arum and the WBC and their relationship with broadcasting. He was handled brilliantly.

Stop praising Arum, Hearn, Warren, Dibella, etc. It's always been weird and was never good for us.

You think that kid makes that kind of money, with that few fights, in your proposed world of 'fairness'?

Pretty confident they're short sighted. I am fairly sure one of the major walls for inducting new fans into our sport is the fact that it makes zero sense. Have you never seen it in someone green's eyes when you tried to explain champion status and the four body system?

Who are you all to decide ('force') that kid should take multiple beatings before he can make big money with a championship fight?

The customer is always right.

The guardians of boxing?

Yes, without us there is no boxing. You could warn but we'd get lower caliber fighters then, but we already have that. How much worse than Wlad's decade could HW possibly be? One in shape dude beating up a bunch of fat men is bottom barrel.

Television is happy; the fighters are happy; the scantioning bodies are marketing companies and they don't have time or room for your ethical standards.

We are the customers. **** man, I sure do wish I could tell my customers to be happy they make me rich and they go oh gee well that's good then and get on board with my over pricing, self protection, and disregard for their wants. I get told I've changed someone's life every month and have done so for over 15 years and still can not expect such obedience from my customers. Watching boxing ever been a life changing experience? You went from suicidal to okay from a match did you? Alright then.

You want purity? The lineal title is all you can hope to be pure and that means so much less money for so many different people. So why do that?

Lineal is the title that is such a **** show its bull**** is what inspired the bodies to begin with and everyone who was there was good with it. It took what 60 years? 70 years? Before we started bitching about bodies. Lineal took the very first title transfer and outside of ignorant people claiming it's a symbol of purity it was never anything close to fair or pure.

The system as it is, works great for all the players save for a handful of purist writing on an Internet(s) forum.

Lack of mainstream American audience means the single largest market for the sport is uninterested.

How dare you selfishly want it to be fair.

customers are supposed to be entitled. We're the easiest customer base in the world. I don't know of anything that sells with less demands from their main demographic and more acceptance of anything decided by suits. Usually there's no love for the greedy suits in control of things. Except in boxing.



I caught the tongue-in-cheek nature, obviously I decided to disregard it. In all honesty I've been super stressed and just typing seems to help me relax.

[Mysterian]

Another fantastic thread I can never update. All because of Redeemer and BigPoppaPump. ****ing sad.

-Marchegiano