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[QueensburyRules]

Pardon the interruption. What happened to our bet, Queen? I guess you backed down since your only source took the information down after WIllie Pep told them of their error.


Get your caretakers to tuck you in. Oh...and thanks for bowing down to me. When you're feeling brave enough to accept the bet, you let me know, ok? I won't hold my breath since I'm sure you know now that you are wrong with no source left to provide as proof.

- - What bet that be, that I provided two sources showing initially there were two lucrative offers to stage Dempsey/Wills first in BSox stadium and a year later in Yankee Stadium that Dempsey, Kerns, and Wills were keen to do?


U lost the first links I provided, so U like the other link deficient misanthrope on this board are as the proverbial swine that only a fool would cast his pearls before.

I have promoted U back to this grade level, so show us that U can keep up this time. I do tire of having to demote U so many times

[travestyny]

- - What bet that be, that I provided two sources showing initially there were two lucrative offers to stage Dempsey/Wills first in BSox stadium and a year later in Yankee Stadium that Dempsey, Kerns, and Wills were keen to do?


U lost the first links I provided, so U like the other link deficient misanthrope on this board are as the proverbial swine that only a fool would cast his pearls before.

I have promoted U back to this grade level, so show us that U can keep up this time. I do tire of having to demote U so many times

Make a thread and post up your links, unless you want me to do it for you so that you don't run away. The bet is that if you can't prove your claim, you leave the history section for good. If you can, then I leave.

You agree, right?


You claimed Frazee's offer was in March 1920. That was your claim, right?

[QueensburyRules]

Make a thread and post up your links, unless you want me to do it for you so that you don't run away. The bet is that if you can't prove your claim, you leave the history section for good. If you can, then I leave.

You agree, right?


You claimed Frazee's offer was in March 1920. That was your claim, right?

- - Only guaranteed bet claim is U ClownPrince of FOOLs still in need of potty training.

[travestyny]

- - Only guaranteed bet claim is U ClownPrince of FOOLs still in need of potty training.

So are you ducking the bet or what?

Thanks for bowing down to me

[QueensburyRules]

- - Interesting how well Sammons covers some eras yet fails others. Part of the reason was this was published in 1988, so much boxing history has been uncovered since then.

Still, no excuse for the massive FAIL of the Frazier FOY in 1971 where Ali went low with Uncle Tom references and how Joe was in league with The Man that was Hot News in the day. Nor the death threats, not by white supremists, but by NOI that cause Joe to hire bodyguards for his kids. NOI had previously marched into Terrell's hotel suite to quietly rearrange the furniture as a signal of what they could do to Terrell if I may surmise in the fashion of Sammons.

[The Old LefHook]

Wait! Isn't there a contingency where they both leave the history section?

[travestyny]

Wait! Isn't there a contingency where they both leave the history section?

"Mind your business, lady." - Earl Simmons

[Willie Pep 229]

I wonder how Frazee had the cash in 1922 to cover a $350,000 guarantee and a $500,000 guarantee in 1923, when legend has it that he sold Babe Ruth in1919 (for the 1920 season) because he was in need of money.

I think historically the most important aspect of Frazee's 1922 offer is that the owners of Fenway Park, upon hearing of Frazee's offer to Dempsey, and without bothering to wait for Dempsey's reply, announced that the ballpark was unavailable for any 'mixed bouts.

I suspect that the second, larger offer was a product of the brand new Yankee Stadium being available, with the New York crowd offering the possibility of a bigger gate.

Still can't figure where he could claim he was good for the $350,000 guarantee, when even at the time it was known he sold Ruth because the Sox were cash poor.

[Willie Pep 229]

Some conjecture on the Frazee offers . . .

Dempsey made just over $100,000 for each Miske and Brennan.

Tex Rickard then shocked the world by offering Dempsey $300,000 for the Carpentier fight.

Rickard offered Kearns either the 300K or a percentage of the gate, Kearns insisted on the flat 300K. After the fight drew 75K plus, the sports writers did the math and Dempsey would have made $427,000 had he taken the percentage.

Kearns had egg on his face . . . and both the sports wags and Tex Rickard didn't hesitate to bring it up.

While Frazee's first offer of $350,000 in 1922 makes sense, that he would go 50K over the Carpentier guarantee, Kearns who was trying to redeem his image kept making noise that he wanted a $500,000 flat fee for Dempsey.

After Kearns turned down several other guarantee for less, Frazee then stepped up and made Kearns the 500K offer he was demanding.

[travestyny]

I wonder how Frazee had the cash in 1922 to cover a $350,000 guarantee and a $500,000 guarantee in 1923, when legend has it that he sold Babe Ruth in1919 (for the 1920 season) because he was in need of money.

I think historically the most important aspect of Frazee's 1922 offer is that the owners of Fenway Park, upon hearing of Frazee's offer to Dempsey, and without bothering to wait for Dempsey's reply, announced that the ballpark was unavailable for any 'mixed bouts.

I suspect that the second, larger offer was a product of the brand new Yankee Stadium being available, with the New York crowd offering the possibility of a bigger gate.

Still can't figure where he could claim he was good for the $350,000 guarantee, when even at the time it was known he sold Ruth because the Sox were cash poor.

Did you see that they pulled down the false offer that Queenie kept bringing up from that link he provided? Just a generic mention of boxing promoting now.

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/harry-frazee/

Probably because of you writing to them and showing that it was incorrect. Good work!

Queenie is still claiming the offer was from 1920....when he isn't claiming that it's somehow from 2020